Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #3719
From: Steve Brooks <steve@tsisp.com>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] New Turbo Rotary Spreadsheet Calculator
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:01:35 -0400
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed,
I don't see any attachment.  I would really like to see that spreadsheet.  Can you please forward me a copy ?
 
Thanks,
Steve Brooks



From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:54 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft

Due to overwhelming  popular demand.... Ok, Ok, at least one person requested it.  I have now created a spreadsheet where you can run NA or with a turbo charger.  The HP, fuel burn and BTUs should work out pretty good and even the cooling section.  The tubo model does take into account the less dense air after compression since that affects power.  But there is NO turbo modeling done.  I used 65% efficiency for the compressor efficiency which may be a bit on the low side, but is conservative.
 
The cooling section now permits you to specify a different radiator size than the Gm cores.  However, the oil cooler is still an RX-7 oil cooler, but you can select more than one.  Again this simple cooling model is based on airflow caused by airspeed as constrained by the surface are of the radiators you specify.  It does not taken into consideration lessening delta T due to radiator thickenss or the decreased pressure across the radiator either.  But, it gave me close to the actual results I see when I fly - inadequate cooling during take off and intial climb at high power settings so temps climb, but once I hit around 120 MPH and/or pull back on power the higher airspeed and lesser power results in adequate cooling during the cruise climb and more than adequate during cruise at alititude.  yes, I lower the density of the mass air flow at altitude to try to keep it fairly realistic.  But, thats about it.
 
I will remind everyone that this is not a simulation and while I have taken a great deal of care into ensuring that the math model for the engine section is as accurate as I can make it, its only a model and not a simulation.  That means you CAN input 20 psi boost at 1000 rpm and it will give you the HP that would create although in real life the exhaust output at 1000 rpm would probably never come close to giving you 20 psi boost. Soooo, its up to you to input realistic combinations.  You know - the garbage in and garbage out thing. 
 
Also since there is not a simulated load on the engine, it will given you what ever rpm you want (don't you wish real life were this easy) - however, whether a real engine with a real load and real induction and exhaust system can achieve that rpm is another question.  If anyone has a simple math model that would provide a load figure based on pitch, diameter, number of blades that would provide the HP/torque required for two modes.  Say Acceleration (take off) and cruise (steady state) I will see if I can adapt the program to reflect real world prop loads.  Lets start with a fix pitch prop model {:>).  Any Propeller experts on the list??
 
To keep Marv from getting on me about consuming too much of the server disk space, anyone who wants a copy please send me an email off the list.  My email below.
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com

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