Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #36975
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 smoke question
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 11:27:25 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
If the slide-throttle was installed Upstream of the plenum it would work fine.  But this would make no sense for the slide-throttle that Paul designed.    It is a two-holer designed to be installed right next to the engine ports (P-ported engine).   A single hole would be the best for an upstream design. 
 
FWIW, I don't get the whole rational for the slide-throttle.  True, it it theoretically the best performing solution but I live in the real world where the small theoretical advantage is outweighed by other factors.
 
TJ, I forgot to comment on the FBW.   It is near (near being a relative term : )  production status but the hold modes are still being worked on and will not be finished before the RV-8 flys and it has been flight proven.  I don't sell flight critical stuff that I haven't risked my own tender pink skin on first. 
 
Tracy (Last EC2 update out the door, departing for Colorado Tuesday)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 smoke question

Hi Tracy,
 
thanx for screening the smoke!
I already thought so (you wouldn't be selling, if your product would not work....).
Just wanted the scope on the smoke-machine, it is always entertaining at the least, but mostly also very educational - technically and human relations wise:)
 
As far as his slide-throttle p-port goes:
 
P-port should not be a hindrance to install a manifold-plenum or is there something I don't see??
 
TJ

 
 
Hi TJ,
 
Smoke is very hard to clear up.   Visibility here in Fla was less than 1/4 mile all day.  I thought it was the fires in Georgia & N. Florida but it is possible that it was from a certain Email list purveyor in California :-0
 
Seriously, the C/S prop story about not being compatible with the EC2 is just that - Smoke.   The engine load is accurately reflected by Manifold pressure and RPM.  These are the primary inputs to the EC2 so it has no problem tracking the variations caused by a CS prop.  I don't have the time to elaborate but it is actually harder to match the fuel requirements of a fixed pitch prop in most circumstances.  The changes in volumetric efficiency due to rpm change are eliminated with a CS prop.
 
The full story about the "Dyno incompatibility" is a longer one which I will abbreviate out of necessity.
 
 It started with Paul's trip to Mazdatrix to test Mark Supenski's P Port engine with his beloved slide throttle (which had never run before).   As it happens, there is no manifold on an engine in this configuration so it is difficult to measure manifold pressure.  Where are you going to get manifold pressure from?  (did I mention that manifold pressure was a primary input to the EC2?)  To make matters worse, Paul was so confident in his abilities to make anything work (even an EFI system that he had zero experience with) that he didn't bother to take the EC2 instructions with him to Mazdatrix.    Given these circumstances, it was no surprise that the dyno run was a dismal failure.  Dave at Mazdatrix yanked everything off the engine, put a webber carb and manifold on it and got it running in order to get a pull on the dyno.
 
And so the story of how the EC2 will not run on a Dyno (and by extension, with a CS prop) was born. 
 
Tracy
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