Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #36944
From: Russell Duffy <rusty@radrotary.com>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Operating limitations question- not rotary related
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:01:30 -0500
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Message

Item 17 is not about turbojets.. Its about category and class.

 
Hi David,
 
I'll paste the entire post that the DAR made on the gyro forum.  As you can see, DARs are issued documentation with notes to guide them in issuing the operating limits.  According to the FAA notes, item 17 doesn't apply to us at all.  I wouldn't have a problem with seeing both items listed, as long as the notes are included to clarify things.
 
So far, Bob White is the only one who's replied off list, and he only has item 18, which is as it should be. 
 
Unfortunately, as is usually the case, the actual requirements are not decided by the FAA, but instead by the insurance company.  I realized after I sent the original post that I'm required to have a (category class) gyro rating of some kind in order to get liability insurance.  Since my hanger lease requires it, then the insurance folks seem to be in charge. 
 
Cheers,
Rusty (I need my own airstrip)
 
 
I see where the confusion came in. This is unchanged as long as I can remember. The bold "notes" are not part of the OPS limits and are there for ASI & DAR guidance.

(17) The pilot in command of this aircraft must hold an appropriate category/class rating. If required, the pilot in command also must hold a type rating in accordance with part 61, or a letter of authorization issued by an FAA Flight Standards Operations Inspector.

NOTE: This limitation applies to any turbojet/turbofan-powered aircraft,
any aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight exceeding 12,500 pounds, and
any other aircraft when deemed necessary. The Flight Standards inspectors
should refer to FAA Order 8700.1, General Aviation Inspector’s Handbook,
for further guidance.


(18) The pilot in command of this aircraft must hold a pilot certificate or an authorized instructor’s logbook endorsement. The pilot in command also must meet the requirements of § 61.31(e), (f), (g), (h), (i), and (j), as appropriate.

NOTE: This operating limitation applies to most amateur-built aircraft as a
standard operating limitation (reference § 61.31(k)).



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