X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 50 [XX] Return-Path: Received: from imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2039641 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 May 2007 08:52:00 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.66; envelope-from=atlasyts@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm59aec.bellsouth.net ([65.11.50.126]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070512125121.QNVK12053.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm59aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 08:51:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.50] (really [65.11.50.126]) by ibm59aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070512125120.NHQU16199.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.0.50]> for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 08:51:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-951269543 Message-Id: From: Bulent Aliev Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 smoke question Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:54:08 -0400 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) --Apple-Mail-8-951269543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed When Paul first published the photo of the PP engine, I had only one question: Where does the MP sensor go? But he said they used the carbs , and did not need MP sensor? Bulent "Buly" Aliev FXE Ft lauderdale, FL http://tinyurl.com/dcy36 On May 12, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: > As it happens, there is no manifold on an engine in this > configuration so it is difficult to measure manifold pressure. > Where are you going to get manifold pressure from? (did I mention > that manifold pressure was a primary input to the EC2?) To make > matters worse, Paul was so confident in his abilities to make > anything work (even an EFI system that he had zero experience with) > that he didn't bother to take the EC2 instructions with him to > Mazdatrix. Given these circumstances, it was no surprise that > the dyno run was a dismal failure. Dave at Mazdatrix yanked > everything off the engine, put a webber carb and manifold on it and > got it running in order to get a pull on the dyno. > > And so the story of how the EC2 will not run on a Dyno (and by > extension, with a CS prop) was born. > > Tracy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Jakits > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:23 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 question > > Tracy, > > what was this talk (some time ago on the other list, .....I get the > essential stuff, but delayed...) that your EC2 is not compatible > with a C/S prop? > That it does not work on a dyno? > Would you please care to clear up the "smoke".... > > How far is your EC2 from a true FADEC (or whatever Mistral is > calling there system) > You are already trying the Fly-by-wire throttle - is it a lot more > for a FADEC? > > Single power-lever (maybe the prop-rpm separate or even that > controlled by single lever), no mixture adjustment needed... > > Best Regards, > > TJ > --Apple-Mail-8-951269543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
When Paul first = published the photo of the PP engine, I had only one question: Where = does=A0 the MP sensor go? But he said they used the carbs , and did not = need MP sensor?

Bulent "Buly" = Aliev
FXE Ft lauderdale, FL
=
On May 12, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:

=A0 As it = happens, there is no manifold on an engine in this configuration so it = is difficult to measure manifold pressure.=A0 Where are you going to get = manifold pressure from? =A0(did I mention that manifold pressure was a = primary input to the EC2?)=A0 To make matters worse, Paul was so = confident in his abilities to make anything work (even an EFI system = that he had=A0zero experience with)=A0that he didn't bother to take the = EC2 instructions with him to Mazdatrix.=A0=A0=A0 Given these = circumstances, it was no surprise that the dyno run was a dismal = failure.=A0 Dave at Mazdatrix yanked everything off the engine, put a = webber carb and manifold on it and got it running in order to get a pull = on the dyno.
=A0
And so the story of how the = EC2 will not run on a Dyno (and by extension, with a CS prop)=A0was = born.=A0
=A0
Tracy=A0
=A0

----- Original Message = -----
From: Thomas Jakits
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:23 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 = question

Tracy,
=A0
what=A0wa= s this talk (some time ago on the other list, .....I get the essential = stuff, but delayed...) that your EC2 is not compatible with a C/S = prop?
That it does not work on a dyno?
Would you = please care to clear up the "smoke"....
=A0
How far = is your EC2 from a true FADEC (or whatever Mistral is calling there = system)
You are already trying the Fly-by-wire throttle - is = it a lot more for a FADEC?
=A0
Single power-lever = (maybe the prop-rpm separate or even that controlled by single lever), = no mixture adjustment needed...
=A0
Best = Regards,
=A0
TJ

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