X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2030721 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 07 May 2007 15:48:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.2; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id q.d28.b74ae01 (52319) for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 15:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-dd08 (webmail-dd08.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.8]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v115.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD019-cc5f463f8247239; Mon, 07 May 2007 15:47:19 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Pinched Duct Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 15:47:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C95EF7A86E7C07_B30_1D50A_webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Received: from 65.161.241.3 by webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 May 2007 15:47:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8C95EF7A86E7C07-B30-F97F@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.8 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MB_8C95EF7A86E7C07_B30_1D50A_webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Ed, It does really sound like you have a good handle on things. Truly for be= st efficiency you want to run a bit hotter. Most of the cars now use 180=C2= =B0F thermostat and many 190=C2=B0! They are after mileage for the CAFE requ= irements though. Lynn has mentioned several times that the best power range=20= is around 170 for the rotary and that sounds about right. The interesting pa= rt is that as you inprove your cooling your max power changes, usually towar= ds more, thank goodness. I intend to have my radiators in a "cheek" position= so I can run a longer wedge duct to them. Time will tell if this is any bet= ter than the evap cores. At least on the rotary you don't have as much stuff= blocking the exit. We would all do well to consider that factor when design= ing our setups. I would really like to thank you Ed for your efforts to help all of us who=20= come later to the party. Your chronicles of both the good and the bad will s= ave many people from peril, THANKS AGAIN. Fly safe and often! Bill Jepson =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Pinched Duct Hi Bill, =20 My cooling system now seems well (if not optimized) matched to my current in= stallation. Full power take offs on hot days see my cooling temps elevate t= o 200F for oil and 210-220F for coolant. Once I hit 120 MPH IAS the cooling= system catches up and starts to eliminate the cooling deficit. =20 =20 At my normal retired-man cruise of 7- 8 gph, my coolant and oil range from 1= 55-170F depending on OAT. When I push it to my max fuel flow/power 10.5-12.= 5 gph at altitude the temperatures of both increase until they are in the=20= 190-195F range. This gives me my maximum true airspeed. So it appears my c= ooling capacity is about right where I need it. Certainly a surplus at low= power cruise, but just adequate on take/off climbout on hot days and adequa= te for full boogie flight. =20 I really don't know how much drag (if any) I have eliminated, but I am convi= nced that it is less than if I had more of the core exposed to high velocity= airflow. =20 =20 Sorry, I can't be more definitive about it - I would like to know as well, b= ut only so much time to get all the wonderful projects on my list done. Per= haps someone with the inclination and time will someday put this idea in a w= ind tunnel and tell us {:>) =20 Ed =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com. ----------MB_8C95EF7A86E7C07_B30_1D50A_webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Ed= , It does really sound like you have a good handle on things. Truly for best= efficiency you want to run a bit hotter. Most of the cars now use 180=C2= =B0F thermostat and many 190=C2=B0! They are after mileage for the CAFE requ= irements though. Lynn has mentioned several times that the best power range=20= is around 170 for the rotary and that sounds about right. The interesting pa= rt is that as you inprove your cooling your max power changes, usually towar= ds more, thank goodness. I intend to have my radiators in a "cheek" position= so I can run a longer wedge duct to them. Time will tell if this is any bet= ter than the evap cores. At least on the rotary you don't have as much stuff= blocking the exit. We would all do well to consider that factor when design= ing our setups.
 I would really like to thank you Ed for your efforts to help all=20= of us who come later to the party. Your chronicles of both the good and= the bad will save many people from peril, THANKS AGAIN. Fly safe and o= ften!
Bill Jepson  
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com
To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Pinched Duct

Hi Bill,
<SNIP> 
My cooling system now seems well (if not op= timized) matched to my current installation.  Full power take offs= on hot days see my cooling temps elevate to 200F for oil and 210-220F for c= oolant.  Once I hit 120 MPH IAS the cooling system catches up and start= s to eliminate the cooling deficit. 
 
At my normal retired-man cruise of 7- 8 gph= , my coolant and oil range from 155-170F depending on OAT.  When I push= it to my max fuel flow/power 10.5-12.5 gph at  altitude  the= temperatures of both increase until they are in the 190-195F range.  T= his gives me my maximum true airspeed.  So it appears my cooling capaci= ty is about  right where I need it.  Certainly a surplus at low po= wer cruise, but just adequate on take/off climbout on hot days and adequate=20= for full boogie flight.
 
I really don't know how much drag (if any)=20= I have eliminated, but I am convinced that it is less than if I had more of=20= the core exposed to high velocity airflow. 
 
Sorry, I can't be more definitive about it=20= - I would like to know as well, but only so much time to get all the wonderf= ul projects on my list done.  Perhaps someone with the inclination and=20= time will someday put this idea in a wind tunnel and tell us {:>)<= /div>
 
Ed
 
 
 
 

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