Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #36294
From: <wrjjrs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Speaking of Mistral....?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:39:58 -0400
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ok Dave I understand now. Yes you can put the regulator "upwind" of the manifold. It will work there, in this fashion. Plumb a tee into the larger open end of the rail. run one side directly into the log and put the regulator on the other. On the out side, return to tank side, of the regulator run a line back to the tank using a small tee. Plumb the output of the pinhole on the end of the rail into the tee. You now have the same system everybody talks about, just with slightly different routing. Check the attached JPEG.
Cheers,
Bill Jepson
 
 
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From: Dastaten@earthlink.net
To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Speaking of Mistral....?

Bill. 
  I understand what you are saying here. Unfortunately I dont think you are visualizing our setup as it actually is. The mistral-provided fuel rail has the pinhole MACHINED into the far end of the rail. There is no way for the pinhole to bypass a regulator attached to the far end of the fuel rail, as the pinhole comes first (beyond the injectors, but before the threads) 
 
I understand the reasons why to have a pinhole to bypass the regulator. The only way we can install a regulator downstream of the fuel rail would be to drill/ream the pinhole, then put T's with another pinhole between the rail and regulator. Chris doesn't like the idea of drilling/reaming the pinhole out. I'm indifferent (as in, any workable solution is fine with me). 
 
Dave 
 
wrjjrs@aol.com wrote: 
 
> Dave, Bob, ET all, 
> The normal position for the fuel regulator is after the fuel rail. You > will need a return line to the tank. The small orifice is used ONLY to > allow a re-prime and bypasses the regulator. There is almost no change > in fuel pressure with that tiny hole. I appologise if everyone knows > this already. It needs to be said though that the reason for the > orifice has nothing to do with the fuel pressure, it is simply a > device to prevent vapor lock if you run a tank dry. I think it's a > good idea. 
> Bill Jepson 
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> From: Dastaten@earthlink.net 
> To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net 
> Sent: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 8:59 PM 
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Speaking of Mistral....? 

> Bob White wrote: > > >Hi Chris, > > > > > >Did Mistral provide the pump and/or regulator? > > > >Bob W. > > > > > Mistral did not provide the pump or regulator. What was purchased and > provided was an intake with runners, integral throttle body, fuel rail > with injector bosses and heat shielding that is integral to the fuel > rail and mounting. > > I know what Chris was trying to say, because he and I have discussed > this at length, and while its a little difficult to visualize from > text only, its an accurate representation of what has transpired, with > all the engineering input (reserved input, I might add <grin>) > > What I have NOW recommended to Chris is that we have a T UPSTREAM of > the fuel rail, with the regulator now on the side/rise of the T, and > the fuel rail on the distal run of the T, feeding the rail, the > pinhole and the fuel return circuit. This will effectively cause the > fuel pressure at all points downstream of the T/Regulator assembly to > be at the set regulated pressure (this is a manifold referenced fuel > pressure regulator). > > The regulator would have a return from it going to the return circuit > as well. Check valves on both return circuits. > > I've made it explicitly clear to Chris that we do in fact need a > regulated fuel supply for our fuel injection to work properly/best. > The pinhole by itself does not serve this purpose adequately, becase > the fixed pinhole cannot modulate its size to maintain a constant > pressure at all throttle and fuel flows. > > Our set up: Mistral Intake/Fuel rail. Dual Electric fuel pumps, > EC2/EM2. Turbo capable. > Dave > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
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