X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net ([206.18.177.54] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1907570 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:07:32 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.18.177.54; envelope-from=rlwhite@comcast.net Received: from quail.site (c-68-35-160-229.hsd1.nm.comcast.net[68.35.160.229]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070307190645b1400g1qioe>; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:06:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:08:25 -0700 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: fuel filter Message-Id: <20070307120825.adff6068.rlwhite@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.0beta4 (GTK+ 2.8.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but one big reason to have a filter after the pump is that these electric EFI pumps have a life expectancy of minutes if they are run dry and small bits of the impeller wear off and can mess up the injectors. I was using the same filter Buly was, but it was after the EFI pumps. There was a gascolator ahead of the pumps. Bob W. (This past tense stuff is starting to tick me off.) On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:38:17 +0000 keltro@att.net (Kelly Troyer) wrote: > John I agree with all that Ed has stated.......One other thing to consider.......Standard > A/C gascolators were not designed for the pressures of a fuel injection system so make > sure to place it in the inlet side of the system before the pump........Also if the gascolator > has a spring loaded drain valve make sure that if the fuel from tank is restricted for some > reason that the pump does not pull the valve open and suck air !! IMHO > -- > Kelly Troyer > "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > > > > > > -------------- Original message from "Ed Anderson" : -------------- > > > Hi John, > > There has been some debate about where the filter should go. Some folks feel its purpose is to protect the pump and place it before the pump, others feel it is to prevent clogging of the fuel injector screens and place it after. > > I personally believe placing a high pressure filter after the pump is the preferred solution. I use a coarse filter > (wire mesh) before the pump to keep any large foreign matter out of the pumps. If your injectors clog it doesn't matter what kind of filter you have before the pump or how well the pump is protected. Others will argue that a fine filter before the pump protects both - unless of course the pump starts to shed material. > > One thing to consider is that a filter of any kind will cause a pressure drop, the finer it is (and therefore the more restrictive) the more of a pressure drop. Pressure drops before the intake of a pump can lead to cavitation and formation of bubbles in the fuel line leading to "vapor lock". > > In the auto, the screen inlet in the tank acts like a coarse filter ( before the pump) and the filter outside the tank is a finer filter. > > There you have my 0.02 on the topic > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Downing > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:50 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] fuel filter > > > Looking at the pictures of fuel filter, pump installations, the filter is after the pump. In auto installations the pump in tank has a screened inlet and then filter someplace between the pump and the injection system. The plane has a gascolator and do I place the pump next like auto installations, then into the filter like the auto installations, or why not. JohnD -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com First Flight: 11/23/2006 7:50AM - 3.8 Hours Total Time Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/