Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #35833
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Diffuser Design Rules
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:14:18 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hey, Dave
 
You have sat through  just too many presentations - your skepticism shows through (I sat  through 26 years of briefings in the Air Force and another 15 as a contractor - give me enough graph paper and the right scale and I can prove anything you want{:>). 
 
Actually, I could have thrown a few more slides in adding more  information supporting my deductive reasoning - but no one/no where has published any data on a "pinched" duct {:>) - and more words would be just that - more words.  It was not intended to be a research paper - just a informal presentation to folks with a common interest. 
 
But, to answer your question -  No data at all. and therefore I get to "write the rules".   I can only take the credit (or blame) for the pinched duct concept all of the rest of the information is available in documents or on the web. However,  I DID NOT invent the words about boundary layer separation and ducts and their effect on cooling. 
 
It appear to follow ( from what I think I understand about boundary layers in a duct) and my installation constraints.   Higher energy boundary layers penetrate further into the pressure recovery zone (expansion area) than lower energy boundary layers.  Ergo - if I increase the energy of that boundary layer, it will penetrate further and separate later.  If that is not correct then my basic assumption is flawed. Again,certainly  not claming superior or performance even close to par with the streamline duct.
 
I was   faced with truncating a streamline duct which with only 3-6" to play with would have left the inlet opening around 75% the area of my core - not appealing from a drag standpoint.  With the pinched duct, I can keep the size of the opening even smaller than the streamline duct calls for, with the pinched area I can speed up the air velocity thereby adding more energy to the boundary layer, which hopefully causes  it to penetrate further into the pressure recovery zone before separating and all ends well - it cools. 
 
Again, I am not trying to sell anything to anybody - those are the conclusions I came to and applied - others are welcome to do their own research and come up with something better.  I spent weeks going over chapter 12 of K&W and working through each equation (well, there was perhaps 1 or 2 I had to take Mr. Kuchman's word for {:>).).  That does not mean my understanding is not flawed - but, its the best I can do. 
 
 I admit this is an exercise in what I hope is deductive logic - not data verified experiment.  I hope you  do not  expect me to rationally defend it with data - when I don't have any data and no interest in taking the time and effort to instrument {:>).
 
So everyone is certainly free to draw their own conclusions.  I may be wrong, but until somebody points out exactly where my deductive reasoning is flawed, I'm going to keep on flying with those pinched ducts.{:>)
 
Ed
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Diffuser Design Rules

Hi Ed,
 
Pretty slides.  They SEEM authoritative but who gets to write the "rules"?  :-)  In other words, where is the rest of the data.  I completely agree that a streamline duct is better than the conventional duct, and that separation needs to be avoided.  But do you have any data comparing a restricted neck style to a regular streamline duct?
 
Dave Leonard
 

 
 
 
Once again, the only "creative" bit of thinking on my part was the pinched duct in order to cope with the limitations of having a very small area for a duct.  All the rest of the credit belongs to K&W and Horner as well as few others.
 
 
Ed

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