X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 30 [X] Return-Path: Received: from [216.211.128.138] (HELO mail-in08.adhost.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.5) with ESMTPS id 1815308 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:14:59 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.211.128.138; envelope-from=joeh@PilgrimTech.com Received: from Pilgrim10 (c-67-161-105-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.161.105.77]) by mail-in08.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E638FC64 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:14:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joeh@PilgrimTech.com) From: "Joe Hull" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] gyros was Re: crankcase vents Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:14:07 -0800 Message-ID: <006601c74a09$d4884550$b00310ac@Pilgrim10> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C749C6.C6650550" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdJmymZRWDN9wl6SJGs3GpmCArerAAbhy1A In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C749C6.C6650550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, speaking of Bensens - I've got one (without rotor but with original 80HP McCullough (sp?) engine) I could sell cheap.anyone interested? Joe Hull Redmond/Seattle WA, Cozy-Mazda Rotary 71hrs _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Russell Duffy Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:01 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: ***SPAM*** [FlyRotary] Re: gyros was Re: crankcase vents Are they safer now. Probably. But most of them can be damaged by a inattentive movement of the control stick. Not so an airplane (in most cases). Hi Lynn, As I mentioned before, there ARE certainly dangerous gyros out there, and many of them were really popular models. Back in the days of the Bensen's, there wasn't even any such thing as a two place machine for training, so it was all self taught. As you can imagine, that didn't help much with the safety record. Modern CLT (centerline thrust) machines like the Dominator are light years ahead of the Bensen's in stability. You can push and pull on the stick until you puke, and it won't go out of it's way to kill you. The only downside is that they end up being tall, so they're a bit more likely to tip over on landings in crosswinds. Still, this is equivalent to a ground loop, and is just as preventable with training and experience. Gyros are way more maneuverable than airplanes, and can do things that only helicopters could dream of. They do it without all the complexity, and can do it with only a Sport Pilot rating. The visibility of an open, pusher type machine is unmatched. If your goal is to fly around the local area for the view, a gyro is hard to beat. To make this at least a bit relevant to the list, I just can't think of any aircraft that's more suitable for engine testing. You can land them on a dime, with zero ground roll. The engine is out in the open to fiddle with and monitor. The Dominator is almost certainly what I'll build, since it's already well proven with the weight and power of the smaller Subaru engines. It should make a good fit for the single rotor engine. BTW, the RV-8 is already informally for sale. I'll make it official when I get around to building a web page with all the sale info. Cheers, Rusty ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C749C6.C6650550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Hey, speaking of Bensens – = I’ve got one (without rotor but with original 80HP McCullough (sp?) engine) I = could sell cheap…anyone interested?

 

Joe Hull

Redmond/Seattle WA, Cozy-Mazda = Rotary 71hrs

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Russell Duffy
Sent: Monday, February = 05, 2007 7:01 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: ***SPAM*** = [FlyRotary] Re: gyros was Re: crankcase vents

 

Are they safer now. Probably. But = most of them can be damaged by a inattentive movement =

of the control stick. Not so an = airplane (in most cases).  

 

=

Hi Lynn,

 

=

As I mentioned before, there ARE certainly dangerous gyros out there, and many of = them were really popular models.  Back in the days of the Bensen's, = there wasn't even any such thing as a two place machine for training, so it = was all self taught.  As you can imagine, that didn't help much with the safety record.   

 

=

Modern CLT (centerline thrust) = machines like the Dominator are light years ahead of the Bensen's in = stability.  You can push and pull on the stick until you puke, and it won't go out = of it's way to kill you.  The only downside is that they end up being tall, = so they're a bit more likely to tip over on landings in crosswinds.  Still, = this is equivalent to a ground loop, and is just as preventable with training = and experience. 

 

=

Gyros are way more maneuverable than airplanes, and can do things that only helicopters could = dream of.  They do it without all the complexity, and can do it with only = a Sport Pilot rating.  The visibility of an open, pusher type machine = is unmatched.  If your goal is to fly around the local area for the = view, a gyro is hard to beat. 

 

=

To make this at least a bit relevant = to the list, I just can't think of any aircraft that's more suitable for engine testing.  You can land them on a dime, with zero ground roll.  = The engine is out in the open to fiddle with and monitor.  The = Dominator is almost certainly what I'll build, since it's already well proven with = the weight and power of the smaller Subaru engines.  It should make a = good fit for the single rotor engine. 

 

=

BTW, the RV-8 is already informally = for sale.  I'll make it official when I get around to building a web = page with all the sale info. 

 

=

Cheers,

Rusty

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