X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 1 [X] Return-Path: Received: from web54106.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.241] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.5) with SMTP id 1815075 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:33:00 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.190.37.241; envelope-from=blueren@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 31985 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2007 14:32:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MKc9LzfSs6TasGP+cbELsPqx+53ZPQoT2A2iGPIvG7mGPFj7zmvk+HZEYoubI07UGghUHJ1R9WgWySYkQT4w56SUzoxmM8RdXYW7mKK62a+dfWJWopMfNtYCM8xAqSFgVxBz8bvRhizqMP/HbJy8sUkiuvO+1IXyuu05kQXQJpY= ; Message-ID: <20070206143212.31983.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xSiSEJ4VM1kctfPje5TLByna.JesdmzVw.fF.QBVdo9dbiL3LBj40KU9FmYFA65h.A-- Received: from [74.93.40.46] by web54106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 06:32:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.3 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Nadig Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: gyros was Re: crankcase vents To: Rotary motors in aircraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1753883087-1170772332=:29796" --0-1753883087-1170772332=:29796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, the RV-8 is already informally for sale. I'll make it official when I= get around to building a web page with all the sale info. =0A=0AWill you = be taking Mazda powered RV-3's in trade? :-)=0ARich=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origin= al Message ----=0AFrom: Russell Duffy =0ATo: Rotary mo= tors in aircraft =0ASent: Monday, February 5, = 2007 10:00:46 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: gyros was Re: crankcase vents= =0A=0A=0AAre they safer now. Probably. But most of them can be damaged by a= inattentive movement =0Aof the control stick. Not so an airplane (in most = cases). =0A =0AHi Lynn,=0A =0AAs I mentioned before, there ARE certainly d= angerous gyros out there, and many of them were really popular models. Bac= k in the days of the Bensen's, there wasn't even any such thing as a two pl= ace machine for training, so it was all self taught. As you can imagine, t= hat didn't help much with the safety record. =0A =0AModern CLT (centerlin= e thrust) machines like the Dominator are light years ahead of the Bensen's= in stability. You can push and pull on the stick until you puke, and it w= on't go out of it's way to kill you. The only downside is that they end up= being tall, so they're a bit more likely to tip over on landings in crossw= inds. Still, this is equivalent to a ground loop, and is just as preventab= le with training and experience. =0A =0AGyros are way more maneuverable th= an airplanes, and can do things that only helicopters could dream of. They= do it without all the complexity, and can do it with only a Sport Pilot ra= ting. The visibility of an open, pusher type machine is unmatched. If you= r goal is to fly around the local area for the view, a gyro is hard to beat= . =0A =0ATo make this at least a bit relevant to the list, I just can't th= ink of any aircraft that's more suitable for engine testing. You can land = them on a dime, with zero ground roll. The engine is out in the open to fi= ddle with and monitor. The Dominator is almost certainly what I'll build, = since it's already well proven with the weight and power of the smaller Sub= aru engines. It should make a good fit for the single rotor engine. =0A = =0ABTW, the RV-8 is already informally for sale. I'll make it official whe= n I get around to building a web page with all the sale info. =0A =0ACheer= s,=0ARusty=0A=0A=0A =0A____________________________________________________= ________________________________=0ANow that's room service! Choose from ov= er 150,000 hotels=0Ain 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fi= t.=0Ahttp://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 --0-1753883087-1170772332=:29796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BTW, the RV-8 is already informally for sale.  I'll make it offi= cial when I get around to building a web page with all the sale info. =
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Will = you be taking Mazda powered RV-3's in trade? :-)

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From: Russell Duffy <rusty@radrotary.c= om>
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Sent: Monday, February 5, 2007 10:00:46 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = gyros was Re: crankcase vents

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Are they safer now. Probably. But most of them can be damaged by= a inattentive movement
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of the control stick. Not so an airpl= ane (in most cases).  
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Hi Lynn,
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As I mentioned before, there ARE certainly dangerous g= yros out there, and many of them were really popular models.  Bac= k in the days of the Bensen's, there wasn't even any such thing as a two pl= ace machine for training, so it was all self taught.  As you can imagi= ne, that didn't help much with the safety record.  &n= bsp;
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Modern CLT (centerline thrust) machines like the Dominat= or are light years ahead of the Bensen's in stability.  You can push a= nd pull on the stick until you puke, and it won't go out of it's way to kil= l you.  The only downside is that they end up being tall, so they're a= bit more likely to tip over on landings in crosswinds.  Still, this i= s equivalent to a ground loop, and is just as preventable with training and= experience. 
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Gyros are way more maneuverable th= an airplanes, and can do things that only helicopters could dream= of.  They do it without all the complexity, and can do it with only a= Sport Pilot rating.  The visibility of an open, pusher type machine i= s unmatched.  If your goal is to fly around the local area for the vie= w, a gyro is hard to beat. 
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= To make this at leas= t a bit relevant to the list, I just can't think of any aircraft that's mor= e suitable for engine testing.  You can land them on a dime, with zero= ground roll.  The engine is out in the open to fiddle with and monito= r.  The Dominator is almost certainly what I'll build, since it's alre= ady well proven with the weight and power of the smaller Subaru engines.&nb= sp; It should make a good fit for the single rotor engine. 
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BTW, the RV-8 is already informally for sale.  I'll make i= t official when I get around to building a web page with all the sale info.=  
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Cheers,
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Rusty
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