X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 1 [X] Return-Path: Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.71] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.5) with ESMTP id 1814028 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:01:51 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.71; envelope-from=rusty@radrotary.com Received: from ibm66aec.bellsouth.net ([65.6.194.9]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070206030057.WORA27086.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm66aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:00:57 -0500 Received: from rd ([65.6.194.9]) by ibm66aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070206030048.VCJJ1532.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@rd> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:00:48 -0500 From: "Russell Duffy" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] gyros was Re: crankcase vents Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:00:46 -0600 Message-ID: <04cb01c7499b$00d0a220$6e01a8c0@rd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04CC_01C74968.B6363220" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdJlBUFXpczaVuVQdqQL1CzR+yuxgAA+gsQ Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04CC_01C74968.B6363220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are they safer now. Probably. But most of them can be damaged by a inattentive movement=20 of the control stick. Not so an airplane (in most cases). =20 =20 Hi Lynn, =20 As I mentioned before, there ARE certainly dangerous gyros out there, = and many of them were really popular models. Back in the days of the = Bensen's, there wasn't even any such thing as a two place machine for training, so = it was all self taught. As you can imagine, that didn't help much with the safety record. =20 =20 Modern CLT (centerline thrust) machines like the Dominator are light = years ahead of the Bensen's in stability. You can push and pull on the stick until you puke, and it won't go out of it's way to kill you. The only downside is that they end up being tall, so they're a bit more likely to = tip over on landings in crosswinds. Still, this is equivalent to a ground = loop, and is just as preventable with training and experience. =20 =20 Gyros are way more maneuverable than airplanes, and can do things that = only helicopters could dream of. They do it without all the complexity, and = can do it with only a Sport Pilot rating. The visibility of an open, pusher type machine is unmatched. If your goal is to fly around the local area = for the view, a gyro is hard to beat. =20 =20 To make this at least a bit relevant to the list, I just can't think of = any aircraft that's more suitable for engine testing. You can land them on = a dime, with zero ground roll. The engine is out in the open to fiddle = with and monitor. The Dominator is almost certainly what I'll build, since = it's already well proven with the weight and power of the smaller Subaru = engines. It should make a good fit for the single rotor engine. =20 =20 BTW, the RV-8 is already informally for sale. I'll make it official = when I get around to building a web page with all the sale info. =20 =20 Cheers, Rusty=20 ------=_NextPart_000_04CC_01C74968.B6363220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Are they safer now. Probably. But most of them can be damaged by a=20 inattentive movement
of the control stick. Not so an airplane (in most = cases).  
 
Hi=20 Lynn,
 
As I = mentioned=20 before, there ARE certainly dangerous gyros out there, and = many of=20 them were really popular models.  Back in the days of the = Bensen's,=20 there wasn't even any such thing as a two place machine for training, so = it was=20 all self taught.  As you can imagine, that didn't help much with = the=20 safety record.   
 
Modern CLT = (centerline=20 thrust) machines like the Dominator are light years ahead of the = Bensen's in=20 stability.  You can push and pull on the stick until you puke, and = it won't=20 go out of it's way to kill you.  The only downside is that they end = up=20 being tall, so they're a bit more likely to tip over on landings in=20 crosswinds.  Still, this is equivalent to a ground loop, and is = just as=20 preventable with training and experience. 
 
Gyros are = way more=20 maneuverable than airplanes, and can do things that only = helicopters=20 could dream of.  They do it without all the complexity, and can do = it with=20 only a Sport Pilot rating.  The visibility of an open, pusher type = machine=20 is unmatched.  If your goal is to fly around the local area for the = view, a=20 gyro is hard to beat. 
 
To make this = at least a=20 bit relevant to the list, I just can't think of any aircraft that's more = suitable for engine testing.  You can land them on a dime, with = zero ground=20 roll.  The engine is out in the open to fiddle with and = monitor.  The=20 Dominator is almost certainly what I'll build, since it's already well = proven=20 with the weight and power of the smaller Subaru engines.  It should = make a=20 good fit for the single rotor engine. 
 
BTW, the = RV-8 is already=20 informally for sale.  I'll make it official when I get around to = building a=20 web page with all the sale info. 
 
Cheers,
Rusty=20
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