X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 50 [XX] (67%) RECEIVED: IP not found on home country list (33%) BODY: contains stock spam words Return-Path: Received: from [201.225.225.168] (HELO cwpanama.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.5) with ESMTP id 1813731 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:03:25 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.168; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.94.164] (HELO usuario5ebe209) by frontend2.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 99132674 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:13:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c74982$14f75c80$a45ee0c9@usuario5ebe209> From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: crankcase vents Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:02:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C74958.29DBAA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C74958.29DBAA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageGyros, are not any more dangerous than any other aircraft. ALL depends on maintenance and proficiency (professional initial = training/rating - frequent refreshers until experienced to all limits - = maintaining proficiency). Also, if an aircraft is successful in sales, that aircraft is prone to = show up in the statistics eventually as high numbers are flown (If there = are 30M Fords and only 3K Lexus out there, Fords will lead the accident = statistics...) A sample is Robinson helicopters (statistically the safest helicopter, = lots of accidents but everyone flies them and can afford them, although = not everyone SHOULD fly them, mainly it is pilot error...) Same goes for the Mitsubishi MU-2 series - 3 times certified, nothing = wrong with the airplane, actually one of the most robust airframes ever = made, but pilots are skipping proper training (Beech Bonanza syndrome, = but not US-designed/only manufactured, so it is the root of all = evil...). Unfortunately this plane does not legally need a type-rating = although it needs to be flown (and is no more complex or difficult = than...) a Lear-Jet, Citation X, or any high-performance speed demon. To = bad it has props on the turbines which with its weight makes it a light = twin and only needs a twin rating on any twin.... I wonder if the friend mentioned got enough instruction and if he = thoroughly understood Gyros. I get some airplane pilots at times who = want to go for the helicopter, but do not like the high cost of training = - they are dissapointed when I turn them down, as they cannot cut = corners with me... Certainly there are more lively gyros than others (....or more boring = ones than others) I doubt that any "bad" gyro would last in the = market.... Some people drive Porsches/Ferraris/Corvettes and shouldn't even drive a = Chevy Metro.... Just make sure the machine is healthy and you get thoroughly trained - = rotorcraft need no control movements, just think about applying pressure = no more. If you ever got a ride in a Glassair III - what that bird needs for = smooth control at speed is all a Rotorcraft needs at all times... Thomas J. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russell Duffy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: crankcase vents Rusty, here is a picture of the vents, both have tape on them, one is = on the oil fill tube and the second one is to the right and comes out of = the center rotor housing.=20 Hi John, Both of those are open to the crankcase, so you can use one for the = vent, and just stick a rubber cap over the other one. =20 Be careful with the gyro, we lost a good friend here, summer before = last on his 3rd solo landing. On final he apparently unloaded the disc = at 80 feet AGL. =20 Sorry to hear that, but unfortunately, there are a number of unsafe = gyros out there, and this is a reasonably common story. I've done = enough research to know which ones are the most stable, and will limit = myself to those models. Truth be told gyros "can" be one of the safest = flying machines there is, and that's one of the reasons I'm attracted to = them for the single rotor testing. =20 Cheers, Rusty (haven't flown the RV-8 in weeks...) ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C74958.29DBAA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Gyros,
are not any more dangerous than any = other=20 aircraft.
ALL depends on maintenance and = proficiency=20 (professional initial training/rating - frequent refreshers until = experienced to=20 all limits - maintaining proficiency).
 
Also, if an aircraft is successful in = sales, that=20 aircraft is prone to show up in the statistics eventually as high = numbers are=20 flown (If there are 30M Fords and only 3K Lexus out there, Fords will = lead the=20 accident statistics...)
 
A sample is Robinson = helicopters=20 (statistically the safest helicopter, lots of accidents but everyone = flies them=20 and can afford them, although not everyone SHOULD fly them, mainly it is = pilot=20 error...)
 
Same goes for the Mitsubishi MU-2 = series - 3 times=20 certified, nothing wrong with the airplane, actually one of the most = robust=20 airframes ever made, but pilots are skipping proper training (Beech = Bonanza=20 syndrome, but not US-designed/only manufactured, so it is the root of = all=20 evil...). Unfortunately this plane does not legally need a type-rating = although=20 it needs to be flown (and is no more complex or difficult than...) a = Lear-Jet,=20 Citation X, or any high-performance speed demon. To bad it has props on = the=20 turbines which with its weight makes it a light twin and only needs a = twin=20 rating on any twin....
 
I wonder if the friend = mentioned got=20 enough instruction and if he thoroughly understood Gyros. I get some = airplane=20 pilots at times who want to go for the helicopter, but do not like the = high cost=20 of training - they are dissapointed when I turn them down, as they = cannot cut=20 corners with me...
 
Certainly there are more lively gyros = than others=20 (....or more boring ones than others) I doubt that any "bad" gyro would = last in=20 the market....
 
Some people drive = Porsches/Ferraris/Corvettes and=20 shouldn't even drive a Chevy Metro....
 
Just make sure the machine is healthy = and you get=20 thoroughly trained - rotorcraft need no control movements, just think = about=20 applying pressure no more.
If you ever got a ride in a Glassair = III - what=20 that bird needs for smooth control at speed is all a Rotorcraft needs at = all=20 times...
 
Thomas J.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Russell=20 Duffy
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 = 10:21=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = crankcase=20 vents

Rusty, here is a picture of the = vents, both=20 have tape on them, one is on the oil fill tube and the second one is = to the=20 right and comes out of the center rotor housing. 
 
Hi John,
 
Both of those are open to the crankcase, so = you can use=20 one for the vent, and just stick a rubber cap over the other = one. =20  
 
Be careful with the gyro, we = lost a good=20 friend here, summer before last on his 3rd solo landing.  On = final he=20 apparently unloaded the disc at 80 feet AGL.   
 
Sorry to hear that, but unfortunately, there = are a number=20 of unsafe gyros out there, and this is a reasonably common = story.  I've=20 done enough research to know which ones are the most stable, and = will=20 limit myself to those models.  Truth be told gyros "can" be = one of=20 the safest flying machines there is, and that's one of the reasons I'm = attracted to them for the single rotor=20 testing.  
 
Cheers,
Rusty (haven't flown the RV-8 in=20 weeks...)
 
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