X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 1 [X] Return-Path: Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with ESMTP id 1714860 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 22:00:23 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.136; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.cf3.5a48127 (43932) for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:59:33 -0500 (EST) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:59:31 EST Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Dead Rotor at 3000ft To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1167101971" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1167101971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/25/2006 7:46:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BMears9413@aol.com writes: Someone mentioned checking the timing by counting the teeth on the flywheel. I've not read that before. could someone enlighten me on this. I wouldn't mind double checking my timing marks with this method. Thanks Bob Mears Supermarine Spitfire With the battery disconnected, remove the leading plug from the front (number one) rotor housing. The one right behind the belt pulley. If you have a good feel of things, wet your thumb and place it over the hole and rock the engine over suspected TDC. With a bit of practice you can get TDC on the button that way. Or, screw some food grade clear plastic hose (Sears) into the plug hole. Place the end of the hose against the under side of your tongue, and rock the engine back and forth over suspected TDC. Or, pour some ATF into the same tube, but let it sag so as to form a "P" trap. Like the drain under the sink. Rock the engine over suspected TDC, just a degree or so in each direction, and look for that location where the ATF does not move. That is TDC. Or take out both plugs. Place the engine at suspected TDC. Make up a pointer that points to the flexplate teeth at some location where you could see it with the engine running. Turn the engine backwards until you see an apex seal in the bottom plug hole. Center that seal in the center of the hole. Make a chalk mark on the tooth next to the pointer. Look in the top plug hole. Turn the engine in the forward direction until you see an apex seal in the center of the upper plug hole. Mark the tooth next to the pointer. TDC is half way between those two chalk marks. Count back to the TDC tooth from both marked teeth to be sure that you are looking at the same tooth. Do it a few times and play with the pointer so as to come out pointing at a full tooth or between two teeth if you like that better. Once you are happy that you have repeatability and are accurate, paint the TDC tooth red. Now count the teeth on the flexplate. Divide into 360 to get degrees per tooth. Turn the engine backwards from TDC the number of teeth that will produce the timing you want. Say 24 degrees. That might be about 12 or 14 teeth. Paint the full advance tooth bright white. You can paint other teeth other colors to indicate other amounts of advance if that is helpful. Make a paint dot on the bell housing and indicate what lead each color represents. Now without turning the engine at all, make up a steel permanent pointer that points at the total advance tooth. Bolt it on. Safety wire it. Aluminum pointers fatigue to death and vanish. Lynn E. Hanover -------------------------------1167101971 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/25/2006 7:46:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 BMears9413@aol.com writes:
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Someone mentioned checking the timing by counting the teeth on the=20 flywheel. I've not read that before. could someone enlighten me on this. I= =20 wouldn't mind double checking my timing marks with this method.
Thanks
 
Bob Mears
Supermarine Spitfire
 
With the battery disconnected, remove the leading plug from the front=20 (number one) rotor housing. The one right behind the belt pulley. If you hav= e a=20 good feel of things, wet your thumb and place it over the hole and rock the=20 engine over suspected TDC. With a bit of practice you can get TDC on the but= ton=20 that way. Or, screw some food grade clear plastic hose (Sears) into the plug= =20 hole. Place the end of the hose against the under side of your tongue, and r= ock=20 the engine back and forth over suspected TDC. Or, pour some ATF into the sam= e=20 tube, but let it sag so as to form a "P" trap. Like the drain under the sink= .=20 Rock the engine over suspected TDC, just a degree or so in each directi= on,=20 and look for that location where the ATF does not move. That is TDC.
 
Or take out both plugs. Place the engine at suspected TDC. Make up a=20 pointer that points to the flexplate teeth at some location where you could=20= see=20 it with the engine running. Turn the engine backwards until you see an apex=20= seal=20 in the bottom plug hole. Center that seal in the center of the hole. Make a=20 chalk mark on the tooth next to the pointer. Look in the top plug hole.=20 Turn the engine in the forward direction until you see an apex seal in=20= the=20 center of the upper plug hole. Mark the tooth next to the pointer.
 
TDC is half way between those two chalk marks. Count back to the TDC to= oth=20 from both marked teeth to be sure that you are looking at the same tooth.
 
Do it a few times and play with the pointer so as to come out pointing=20= at a=20 full tooth or between two teeth if you like that better. Once you are h= appy=20 that you have repeatability and are accurate, paint the TDC tooth red.
 
Now count the teeth on the flexplate. Divide into 360 to get degrees pe= r=20 tooth. Turn the engine backwards from TDC the number of teeth that will prod= uce=20 the timing you want. Say 24 degrees. That might be about 12 or 14 teeth= .=20 Paint the full advance tooth bright white. You can paint other teeth other=20 colors to indicate other amounts of advance if that is helpful. Make a paint= dot=20 on the bell housing and indicate what lead each color represents.
 
Now without turning the engine at all, make up a steel permanent pointe= r=20 that points at the total advance tooth. Bolt it on. Safety wire it. Aluminum= =20 pointers fatigue to death and vanish.  
 
Lynn E. Hanover    
 
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