X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web54111.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.39.49] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with SMTP id 1597128 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:54:25 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.190.39.49; envelope-from=blueren@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 11871 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2006 16:54:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KUtxE77v0i3Bo4cwFsCpNmo8puH5VwTGhlqHZIxqwoUHQOGQUTffFnPhQhiErykPHEkPpwyrjVMCLoD3vj+z3PcFYN+fMcT+txAHrHgczqk1xt043fKOLJlZYVi3uPAXqiM3rRnR8lv5a1rWfO04v/pqFWfpT9gj4t5r/jrVJNw= ; Message-ID: <20061123165403.11869.qmail@web54111.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.153.53.66] by web54111.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:54:03 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Nadig Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Cockpit heat To: Rotary motors in aircraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1552438859-1164300843=:2434" --0-1552438859-1164300843=:2434 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rusty,=0A=0A=0A=0AYes and I got a lot of great ideas. May try yours first as = it seems to require less work and will not keep me from flying. Seem to ha= ve excess cooling capacity as on these 40 degree days neither the oil or w= ater temps get above about 150F. Been thinking that with a 4inch shorter o= il cooler your setup could easily become a FWF assembly for the RV-3 and 4.= =0A =0A=0A =0AOnly abou= t 22!!!! However, now that I have quit doing things to it and have it pain= ted it will get a lot more. One of the things I did was to install a fuel = valve from a Cessna 210 which is a double valve to allow excess fuel flow t= o be returned to the tank you are feeding from. Works great on the T-210, = however, in this application there is a need for a small accumulator as the= engine quits no matter how fast you switch tanks! So for now I switch tan= ks at idle power. =0A =0AStill have that vibration. It seems to have some= thing to do with power as I can dive at all speeds up to 200mph indicated a= nd don't have it. Under power it definitely increases in intensity in a ski= d. =0AHave had the prop balanced and while at it we checked the engine at = the flywheel both are very smooth. Both prop blades seem to have the same = pitch at respective positions on each blade. Even tried a Prince prop. No= change. =0A =0ACongratulations on the RV-8. Look forward to a picture of = two. May even pop down to see it sometime when you are going to be at the = airport.=0A =0AHappy Turkey day=0ARich =0A =0A =0A =0A----- Original Messa= ge ----=0AFrom: Russell Duffy =0ATo: Rotary motors in = aircraft =0ASent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006= 9:59:21 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cockpit heat=0A=0A=0AWondering what = others are doing for cockpit heat. Like to find something "quick and dirty= " so the plane is not down until summer when I won't need it :-).=0A =0AHi = Rich,=0A =0ASo if you get cold enough, you will actually speak to the list = :-)=0A =0AHow about attaching a scat tube at the rear of the right cheek ev= ap core. This would give water heating, with essentially clean air (good C= O monitor always a good idea). Ideally, you could use one of Van's standar= d cabin heat valves on the firewall. =0A =0ATracy and I also discussed usi= ng the cheek area for heat inlet to the cabin. If there's no room on the f= irewall, you could route the scat tube to a flange on the front bulkhead of= the cowl cheek extension, then create an opening on the cabin wall inside = the cheek extension area. You could put your on/off valve on the inside ca= bin wall. You may need a way to keep the hot air from blowing directly on = your avionics though. =0A =0ASo how many hours do you have on the plane no= w? =0A =0ACheers,=0ARusty (2.1 hours of non-hmmmmmm)=0A=0A --0-1552438859-1164300843=:2434 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Yes and I got a lot of great ideas.  May try yo= urs first as it seems to require less work and will not keep me from flying= .  Seem to have excess cooling capacity as on these 40 degree days&nbs= p; neither the oil or water temps get above about 150F.  Bee= n thinking that with a 4inch shorter oil cooler your setup could easily bec= ome a FWF assembly for the RV-3 and 4. 
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<So how many hours do y= ou have on the plane now? >
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=0AOnly about 22!!!!  However, now that I have quit doing things to= it and have it painted it will get a lot more.  One of the things I d= id was to install a fuel valve from a Cessna 210 which is a double val= ve to allow excess fuel flow to be returned to the tank you are feeding fro= m.  Works great on the T-210, however, in this application there is a = need for a small accumulator as the engine quits no matter how fast you swi= tch tanks!  So for now I switch tanks at idle power.  
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Still have that vibration.  It s= eems to have something to do with power as I can dive at all speeds up= to 200mph indicated and don't have it. Under power it defin= itely increases in intensity in a skid. 
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Have had t= he prop balanced and while at it we checked the engine at the flywheel both= are very smooth.  Both prop blades seem to have the same pitch a= t respective positions on each blade.  Even tried a Prince prop. = No change. 
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Congratulation= s on the RV-8.  Look forward to a picture of two.  May even = pop down to see it sometime when you are going to be at the airport.
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Happy Turkey day
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----- Original Message ----
From: Russell = Duffy <rusty@radrotary.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyr= otary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:59:21 A= M
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cockpit heat

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Wond= ering what others are doing for cockpit heat.  Like to find something = "quick and dirty" so the plane is not down until summer when I won't need i= t :-).

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So if you get cold enough, you will actually speak to the lis= t :-)
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How about attaching a scat tube at the r= ear of the right cheek evap core.  This would give water heating, with= essentially clean air (good CO monitor always a good idea).  Ideally,= you could use one of Van's standard cabin heat valves on the firewall.&nbs= p;
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Tracy and I also discussed using the= cheek area for heat inlet to the cabin.  If there's no room on the fi= rewall, you could route the scat tube to a flange on the front bulkhead of = the cowl cheek extension, then create an opening on the cabin wall inside t= he cheek extension area.  You could put your on/off valve on the = inside cabin wall.  You may need a way to keep the hot air f= rom blowing directly on your avionics though.  =0A
 
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So how many hours do you have on the pl= ane now?  
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