X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.225.93] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.1) with ESMTP id 1518575 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:49:52 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.225.93; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from 7n7z201 (c-24-7-194-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net[24.7.194.231]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061101024932b13003tgu5e>; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:49:33 +0000 Message-ID: <02df01c6fd60$5adb7f60$e7c20718@7n7z201> From: "Bill Schertz" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Rotary Round up 2006 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:49:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02DC_01C6FD2E.0FECFBF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02DC_01C6FD2E.0FECFBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T'was a very good time -- Thanks to Tracy and Laura for hosting this = get-together. I always enjoy getting to hear Ed's latest, and George = Graham around the fire is a treat! Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary Round up 2006 Hi folks, Just got back home after a great stay at Shady Bend and the Rotary = Roundup. Sorry, some of you could not make it - it was a good one. = Seeing Tracy fire up his 20B for the first time was great! The only = down side is that I was the only rotary flyer to make it in due to = weather and other circumstances. One couple flew in (airline) from = Washington state to attend. Several make long car trips, from AR, MS, = NC and GA as well as from around Florida. =20 War stories,rotary stories, life histories and other lies provided = entertainment around the camp fire (as well as through out the day) and = it sure appeared a great time was had by all. Richard Sohn gave us a = presentation on the status of his one rotor - some very nice looking = aluminum castings (no unfortunately they won't work for the two rotor). = Tracy gave us his design goal approach to his RV-8 3 rotor = configurations - taking it from the mission he wanted it to perform and = leading to the design considerations this required. =20 I got to provide a bit of entertainment (prompted by Laura) about my = many (mis) adventures, hopefully, the stories will keep somebody else = from committing the same dumb --- err error in judgement or analysis. Laura, as always, saw to the lodging and vittles - A super spread each = meal and always coffee in the morning. I'm sure I'm not the only one = that left with more pounds than I arrived with. If Tracy had her = energy, he would have finished the RV-8 4 years ago {:>) Got a bit of a red face when I attempted to fire up my rotary so folks = could hear what a REAL rotary exhaust roar sounds like {:>) - and = totally and completely flooded the engine. I normally fly with my EC2 = controller in mode 1 in case I want to make and store some fine MAP = adjustments while flying. Well, not uncommon for me to still have it in = mode 1 when I land. Well, with the new simulation diagnostics mode that Tracy has now = programmed it with - when the engine is NOT running and you hit the = store button in mode 1 it simulates the engine running at 3000 rpm and = pulses the injectors accordingly - well, if you have your fuel pumps on = and hit the store button (thinking that you are in mode zero and just = injecting a squirt of two of fuel) it fires all 4 injectors like its = running at 3000 rpm and all that pressurized fuel gets injected into the = intake manifold - guess what? It floods the engine in a second with = fuel pouring out the exhaust pipes. Well - this is what I later = realized had happened several hours later sitting around the campfire. = We got to talking about why it flooded and when I said I hit the button = in mode 1 - Tracy said "you mean in mode zero" - the light came on - = Nope I was in mode 1 and sure enough it will flood the engine if you = have the fuel line pressurized and full of fuel and engage the = diagnostics mode. Tracy indicated that since he (and presumable = others) fly with mode 1 set up that he may move the diagnostics mode to = the seldom used mode 2 to preclude dummies from flooding their engines. = But, fortunately this morning the engine fired on the first couple of = blade rotations - whew! Had a bit of a head wind but an uneventful = trip. =20 I was honored to have a "photo" of my rotary powered RV-6A adorn the = Rotary roundup cake this year (see photo). =20 So hope those who could not make it this year can make it next year. Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_02DC_01C6FD2E.0FECFBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
T'was a very good time -- Thanks to = Tracy and Laura=20 for hosting this get-together. I always enjoy getting to hear Ed's = latest, and=20 George Graham around the fire is a treat!
 
 
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 = 7:18=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary = Round up=20 2006

Hi folks,
 
Just got back home after a great stay at Shady = Bend and=20 the Rotary Roundup. Sorry, some of you could not make it - it was a = good=20 one.  Seeing Tracy fire up his 20B for the first time was = great! =20 The only down side is that I was the only rotary flyer to make it in = due to=20 weather and other circumstances.  One couple flew in (airline) = from=20 Washington state to attend.  Several make long car trips, from = AR, MS,=20 NC and GA as well as from around Florida. 
 
War stories,rotary stories, life = histories and=20 other lies provided entertainment around the camp fire (as well as = through out=20 the day)  and it sure appeared a great time was had by all.  = Richard=20 Sohn gave us a presentation on the status of his one rotor - some very = nice=20 looking aluminum castings (no unfortunately they won't work for the = two=20 rotor).  Tracy gave us his design goal approach to his RV-8 3 = rotor=20 configurations - taking it from the mission he wanted it to perform = and=20 leading to the design considerations this required.  =
 
I got to provide a bit of entertainment = (prompted by=20 Laura) about my many (mis) adventures, hopefully, the stories will = keep=20 somebody else from committing the same dumb --- err error in judgement = or=20 analysis.
 
Laura, as always, saw to the lodging and = vittles - A=20 super spread each meal and always coffee in the morning.  =  I'm=20 sure I'm not the only one that left with more pounds than I arrived=20 with.  If Tracy had her energy, he would have finished the RV-8 4 = years=20 ago {:>)
 
 
Got a bit of a red face when I attempted to = fire up my=20 rotary so folks could hear what a REAL rotary exhaust roar sounds = like=20 {:>) - and totally and completely flooded the engine.  I = normally=20 fly with my EC2 controller in mode 1 in case I want to make and store = some=20 fine MAP adjustments while flying.  Well, not uncommon for me to = still=20 have it in mode 1 when I land.
 
Well, with the new simulation diagnostics mode = that=20 Tracy has now programmed it with - when the engine is NOT running and = you hit=20 the store button in mode 1 it simulates the engine running at 3000 rpm = and=20 pulses the injectors accordingly - well, if you have your fuel pumps = on and=20 hit the store button (thinking that you are in mode zero and just = injecting a=20 squirt of two of fuel) it fires all 4 injectors like its running at = 3000 rpm=20 and all that pressurized fuel gets injected into the intake manifold - = guess=20 what?  It floods the engine in a second with fuel pouring out the = exhaust=20 pipes.  Well - this is what I later realized had happened several = hours=20 later sitting around the campfire.  We got to talking about why = it=20 flooded and when I said I hit the button in mode 1 - Tracy said "you = mean in=20 mode zero" - the light came on - Nope I was in mode 1 and sure enough = it will=20 flood the engine if you have the fuel line pressurized and full of = fuel and=20 engage the diagnostics mode.   Tracy indicated that since he = (and=20 presumable others) fly with mode 1 set up that he may move the = diagnostics=20 mode to the seldom used mode 2 to preclude dummies from flooding their = engines. 
 
But, fortunately this morning the engine fired = on the=20 first couple of blade rotations - whew!  Had a bit of a head wind = but an=20 uneventful trip. 
 
I was honored to have a "photo" of my rotary = powered=20 RV-6A adorn the Rotary roundup cake this year (see photo).  =
 
So hope those who could not make it this year = can make=20 it next year.
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered
Matthews,=20 NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.comhttp:/= /members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda= /index.html

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