Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #33708
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Pressure Regulator Vacuum or Boost??
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:39:51 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Clearly not crucial ):<), Barry.
 
  Based on my experience with Tracy's Default EC2 settings - it appears that my engine always runs  bit rich at idle.  Yes, I can/have adjusted the MAP values to compensate for this but still have a rather irregular idle at times - acts as if too rich.  With the fuel pressure adjusted to compensate for manifold pressure, then each millisecond of injector time injectors the same amount of fuel.   So I am not certain as to whether this has any bearing on my idle but when you seem to have eliminated all else - this remains and makes me wonder.
 
In my research, I have found this type of description of what a pressure regulator (manifold referenced)  is suppose to do so causes me to wonder whether I have the correct type.  I know I do not have a 0.49 psi drop for each inch Hg drop in manifold pressure.  If I have 43 psi at WOT then according to the description below I should have approx 0.49 * 15 = 7 psi drop in fuel pressure at 15 inch Hg in manifold pressure or - it should drop from 43 to 35 psi (approx) which it does not.
 
Ed
 
To take a fuel pressure reading, you have to remember that during idle, the vacuum causes the fuel pressure regulator to lower the fuel pressure to maintain 55psi between the fuel pressure and the manifold pressure.  For every 1inHg of vacuum, there is a 0.49psi drop in pressure at the rail.  So, 15inHg of vacuum will make about 47.6psi of fuel pressure on a stock regulator.  To accurately set the fuel pressure, you either have to calculate the proper fuel pressure by measuring the manifold vacuum, or you need to unplug the vacuum line from the regulator.  This will make the regulator think the manifold is at 0psi of pressure and the fuel pressure will rise to 55psi.  Do not leave the regulator unplugged when you are done!  If you drive your car with the regulator unplugged, the engine will lean-out and severe engine damage could result!  While at idle, the engine will run rich because of the rise in fuel pressure, so don't do it for too long.  With your fuel pressure now at a constant, atmospheric pressure, you can reliably adjust it.  To lower the fuel pressure, turn the adjusting screw on the adjustable regulator counter-clockwise.  To raise it, turn it clockwise.  With the engine idling, you will see the pressure change on your guage.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Pressure Regulator Vacuum or Boost??

Ed,
 
If stock automotive regulators don't take vacuum into account (to the best of my knowledge, anyhow), is it important?
 
Barry Gardner
Wheaton, IL
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fuel Pressure Regulator Vacuum or Boost??

For the entire life of my rotary powered RV-6A, I have flown with a "Boost Referenced" adjustable fuel pressure regulator from MSD.  As you know, it is desirable to keep the pressure differential between the injector fuel rail pressure and the manifold pressure a constant for best fuel injection control. 
 
I flew for several years thinking that since my pressure regulator was manifold reference that it was indeed doing this.  Then the light bulb came on - my fuel pressure holds rock-steady at 43 PSI - and does not vary between idle and WOT!  This certainly implies that the fuel pressure IS NOT varying as a function of manifold pressure.
 
Then doing some recent research on fuel pressure regulators, I noticed that some say they are "Boost Referenced" and other's say "Vacuum/Boost Referenced".   My conclusion (which may be incorrect)  is that while my pressure regulator is "Boost Referenced" it is not "Vacuum Referenced".  The difference (If I understand it correctly ) is that my regulator would increase fuel pressure IF it ever encounter manifold pressure greater than ambient - since I am not used forced induction that never happens - which in turn appears to be the reason I never see the fuel pressure changing in response to manifold "vacuum".
 
So my question to those who realllllllyyyyyy know -  is it correct that for my NA 13B I need a fuel pressure regulator that responses to manifold "Vacuum" or is the difference in description between "vacuum referenced and boost referenced " just semantics in advertising?
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
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