X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [201.225.225.167] (HELO cwpanama.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.4) with ESMTP id 1402018 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:17:55 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.167; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.93.110] (HELO usuario5ebe209) by frontend1.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 78696765 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c6d793$1696be20$6e5de0c9@usuario5ebe209> From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Accused! - Open Letter to Paul Lamar, ACRE-newsletter; was: Motor-beam-mount, was Re: Engine alignment Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:16:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6D769.26E11160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6D769.26E11160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Ed, your kind words are like a soothing lotion on my troubled soul ! :) I know I'm hopeless... Thomas J. PS: This goes for both Eds! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Accused! - Open Letter to Paul Lamar, = ACRE-newsletter; was: Motor-beam-mount, was Re: Engine alignment Thomas, I'm sorry to say you have crossed PL on one of his most scarce = topics - failing to give credit to him for any thing he ever said or = posted (no matter where he may have obtained it). Any attempt to given = a reasonable explanation, apology or what ever and then move on is not = likely to succeed.=20 So, You really don't need to explain, most of us who know Paul - = understand. The fact that you might have said something like "Plugs Up" after he = has repeatedly decreed they just can-not work - clearly shows that you = are a hopeless case {:>). =20 Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas y Reina Jakits=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Accused! - Open Letter to Paul Lamar, = ACRE-newsletter; was: Motor-beam-mount, was Re: Engine alignment Hello all, I don't want to bore anyone with old dirty laundry, but I feel = obliged to correct a post on this list: A kind member of both lists (this one and the "other"....) brought = to my attention, that I was called a thief and other names on the = "other" list - Yes, another PL-tale !! -=20 As the reason for this tale was posted by me on this list, I will = attempt to put things straight (most likely a futile effort, ...): I think the post concerned was about whether the Rotary (in a = specific application...) should/could be "plugs-up" (first PL-no/no) and = whether Jerry's S-beam would still work or not. Also CCI was mentioned = as a possible motormount (second PL-no/no). (See the original post at the very bottom of this message, I assume = it is the one that caused PL's wrath, ... again!) I then answered with my opinions about the CCI and Mistral mounts, = and that my choice would be to duplicate a beam-mount = used/r&d'ed/designed/built by Richard Martin (then and possibly still = involved in the installation of a Rotary Engine in a helicopter = project).=20 I added some pics to illustrate the mount. The pics I received with a post concerning beam mounts from Paul = Lamar's ACRE list, when I still was on it. I did not specifically mention (... unfortunately), that the pics = where taken by Mr. Paul Lamar, owner of the ACRE-list, but I did = mention, that this info, including the pics originated (for me, = anyway...) from the "other" list. see pink highlight in the original = message below! The kind member of both lists mentioned above, forwarded the = following posting on the other list to me: quote 1: -Slim ball parasites- Slim ball parasites posting my pictures on other rotary engine list. Not a word from where they originated. I kicked the low life jerk off the list a long while back:) He did not even bother to change the names.=20 These are three examples. I took these pictures in in Arlington 2004 thanks to hospitality of Richard Martin Last picture is of Richard Martin. I am pissed. I am getting ready to sue. ...end of quote 1. Same day later from a different source on the same newsletter: quote 2: Paul, That's still the best mount I've seen for the Rotary . George (down under) That does not excuse him from stealing my pictures. Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor. =20 ...end of quote 2. Just to make it clear: I will forward this post directly to Mr. Paul = Lamar by email, though I think he is on this list anyway! Open letter to Mr. Paul Lamar: Mr. Lamar, a) I apologize that I did not mention you directly as the "owner" = of the pictures in question.=20 At the time I posted them I was not aware that they where taken by = you and not given to you by Richard Martin. I did mention that I obtained them from a post on the "other list", = when I still was on this list. (...which, I hope we can agree upon, always means/meant the other = one of the 2 lists -=20 ACRE , or AREN as you seem to call it now and FlyRotary, depending = on which list it gets posted.) I re-read the post and you do state that you took the pics, so = again, I apologize for not specifically mentioning that fact. b) On your website you mention somewhere, that it (... your = website) is for the general benefit and advancement of the Rotary Engine = as an alternative aircraft engine. I admire your knowledge/insight/dedication to the Rotary and your = (generally) free advice and willingness to make your ideas and R&D = available to the public. c) It surprises me that much more when you start to "retail" = against someone that supposedly infringed on your rights. d) In the past, whenever I referred someone new to the Rotary = engine in aviation, I always pointed them to both lists. By the time I got kicked off your list, I started to warn people = about posting opposing opinions on your list, as that might get them = retired real fast. But, Mr. Lamar, I never got that low to call you any names! And I never will! (I do not consider attributes that where jokingly made on this list = as "calling names", your view may differ .....) It is amazing, that on a basically un-moderated newsletter like = FlyRotary, one never reads about anybody getting called names, .... = except when you get quoted!=20 e) If it means so much to you, why don't you title all your = online material with "copyright Paul Lamar" - this is very easy to do, = especially on pictures. If you are so serious about it I suggest to change your Greek = "copyright" to English, as very few people will be able to get the note = in Greek!=20 This way, the originator of any info you post on your website and/or = newsletter will be known. Generally I refer people to your site, so they may find out for = themselves.=20 Just sometimes things are faster/easier/simpler to forward. f) On the specific case, the question was about motormounts. As I know your stand on copyright and giving credit where it is due, = I very much did give credit to the man who made the part, Richard = Martin. see pink highlight in the original message below! g) Copyright:=20 Remember one thing, Mr.Lamar - you did freely send these pictures = along with the post on your newsletter (2004, if I remember right...). = At the time this message was sent I still belonged to the list of = receivers, so I certainly did not steal them! Furthermore I did never pretend that these pics are mine or taken by = me. Finally, these pics where never used by me in any commercial / = financial / reputation beneficial way towards me. (Well, maybe Jerry gets a couple of bucks if Ben goes that = direction, and if Jerry accepts the challenge...) note to Jerry and Ben: Please consult with Mr. Lamar on copyright issues before proceeding = with any idea or design resulting from my post! Your pics where simply used to transfer an idea for a possible = solution for a fellow rotary enthusiast (...something you claim your web-presence pursues too, in one way or = another).=20 Again, I did not claim any personal achievements on any of this (... = not the motormount, nor the photos).=20 I would not be able to do so, as I am at the bottom of the learning = curve concerning Rotaries.=20 But, I do observe/ask/question/suggest - I understand this is all a = newsletter is about!=20 So, if I can I will point things out to fellow list members, in case = they are not aware of a fact/issue/idea/etc.. h) It is appalling, that a man of your = education/experience/professional success/intellect, returns to the state of a badmouthed teen when you feel infringed on = your rights (copy or other)! Mr. Lamar, a simple email with the details pointed out would have = been all it needed! h1) You posted "He did not even bother to change the names." Can you explain what you mean with that??=20 What for would I want to change any names? Credit to whom it is due! I never intended to change any names nor would I see a need to do = so.=20 No intention to hide anything!! i) Considering my perception of your lack of education in = civilized communications skills, I do not expect any reply from you to = this letter. I don't think you have the courage to do so!=20 Just as I gave up to ever find the reason for being "kicked off as a = low life jerk a long while back" (quote from your post on your = newsletter....). To this day I have really no idea what bothered you so much to kick = me off without any explanation/accusation! (Just a little refresher, you never called my attention on any = issue/post/etc. You went to Oskosh '04, and that was it. After that I = was off the list.) An educated person at least answers emailed inquiries to why or = what.=20 Did it ever occur to you, that you might have mistaken me for = someone else? If someone claimed any statements supposedly made by me, wouldn't it = be prudent to investigate the truth? I bet the same questions would come from some of the other members = in the "Kicked-off"-Club on this list! j) There is a good percentage of Non-native English speakers on = this list (... and where on yours, at the time I "was" left...). It is inevitable that sometimes things get translated the wrong way = or misunderstandings arise. Prudence calls at least for an effort to = straighten out issues.=20 Of course this will not excuse the "low-life actions" of all the = native speakers in the "Kicked-off"-Club! k) Just denying discussion of a subject, because you do not agree = with it, does nothing to resolve the basic issue. I refer specifically to the "plugs-up" issue as a sample. We all know you don't like it - but you never brought up a single = reason (that would stand scrutiny...) why it should not be used, why it = is "dangerous", why it can't be done. All you say is "no" and whoever = disagrees is out!! You seem to carry over this attitude to lesser things just the same. By the way "plugs-up" seems to work just great and there is a whole = list of benefits to this installation - besides possible space = considerations, which brought up this configuration in the first place.=20 The same goes for any members on this fine list, that ever got = kicked off yours. Common sense would reason, that if these guys are all "low life = jerks", that they would continue to be so on any other list and just the = same in their lives - it is hard to change what you are!=20 However I had to come to the conclusion that all members on this = list (FlyRotary) whom I am aware off, are rather extremely polite and = educated people=20 (...in this case education has nothing to do with = University/College/whatever degree....).=20 I did frequent other newslists, where there is more mud-slinging = than subject discussion. Not so here! What this means, Mr. Lamar, is, that you are very, very wrong in = your assessment of most of those whom you rejected. This is not my subjective opinion - but a simple objective = observation over time. Enough said..... If you care to reply, please do so - on your list (I am sure I will = get the message:)), on this list, or to my email, listed below. Best Regards, Thomas Jakits Rotary Enthusiast rijakits@cwpanama.net PS: Mr. Lamar, if you seriously consider and desire to sue, please = go ahead! If you want to waist your time/effort/money/nerves over some photo = credit issues showing the work of someone else,=20 then you deserve all the misery you will receive from your legal = effort! There are lots of times in life you don't get what you think you = should! ..........Get over and on with it !! original message below, pictures = eliminated!=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas y Reina Jakits=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Motor-beam-mount, was Re: Engine alignment Hi Ben, even if you can't use one of Jerry's S-beams, he should be able to = weld you one of these babies (see attached pics). Lay them out the way you need them, have some knowledgeable = engineer math it and off you go! Startermount included, and also check the turbo-pack!! Photos are from an old post on the "other" list. Richard Martin is "responsible" for that beauty, working for a = helicopter project... I have pics, if you need/want them, but these are the most = "visible" ones! I assume a CCI would do also-sideways, though I do not really like = the loadpath of the CCI. Another alternative is the Mistral backplate mount, but again, I = don't really like the loadpath through the engine. My personal go is something like the pics show - or a S-beam - the = load gets picked up there and the engine is left alone. Keep on mind the pics show a mount for a helicopter project, but I = believe it should be possible to get it right for plane inthe same = manner, though possibly with different dimensions. Thomas J. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben Baltrusaitis=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine alignment Dale, Please post pictures of your mount or send them to me directly. = I am also considering plugs up on my Acroduster Too mostly to help with = inverted flight and oil, but also because a high thrust line is = preferred on the plane. Do you see any negatives with the installation other than not = being able to use Jerry Hey's S-Beam Mount? Do you know if plugs up will work with George's (down under) = bell housing? Thanks! Ben ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6D769.26E11160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you = Ed,
 
your kind words are = like a soothing=20 lotion on my troubled soul ! :)
 
I know I'm = hopeless...
 
Thomas J.
 
PS: This goes for both=20 Eds!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, = 2006 8:36=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Accused! - Open=20 Letter to Paul Lamar, ACRE-newsletter; was: Motor-beam-mount, was Re: = Engine=20 alignment

Thomas, I'm sorry to say you = have crossed=20 PL on one of his most scarce  topics - failing to give = credit=20 to him for any thing he ever said or posted (no matter where he may = have=20 obtained it).  Any attempt to given a reasonable = explanation,=20 apology or what ever and then move on is not likely to=20 succeed. 
 
So, You really don't need to explain, most of = us who=20 know Paul - understand.
 
 The fact that you might = have said=20 something like "Plugs Up" after he has repeatedly decreed=20 they just can-not work - clearly shows that you are a hopeless = case=20 {:>).  
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW = Rotary=20 Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.comhttp:/= /members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas y=20 Reina Jakits
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, = 2006 9:59=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Accused! = - Open=20 Letter to Paul Lamar, ACRE-newsletter; was: Motor-beam-mount, was = Re: Engine=20 alignment

Hello all,
 
I don't want to bore anyone with old dirty = laundry, but I=20 feel obliged to correct a post on this list:
 
A kind member of both lists (this one and the=20 "other"....) brought to my attention, that I was called a thief = and=20 other names on the "other" list
- Yes, another PL-tale !! -
 
As the reason for this tale was posted = by me on=20 this list, I will attempt to put things straight (most likely=20 a futile effort, ...):
 
I think the post concerned was about = whether the=20 Rotary (in a specific application...) should/could be = "plugs-up"=20 (first PL-no/no) and whether Jerry's S-beam would still work or not. = Also CCI was mentioned as a possible motormount (second=20 PL-no/no).
(See the original post = at the=20 very bottom of this message, I assume it is the one that caused PL's = wrath,=20 ... again!)
 
I then answered with my opinions about the CCI = and Mistral=20 mounts, and that my choice would be to duplicate a beam-mount=20 used/r&d'ed/designed/built by Richard Martin (then and = possibly=20 still involved in the installation of a Rotary Engine in a = helicopter=20 project).
I added some pics to illustrate the = mount.
 
The pics I received with a post concerning beam=20 mounts from Paul Lamar's ACRE list, when I still was on=20 it.
I did not specifically mention (...=20 unfortunately), that the pics where taken by Mr. Paul Lamar, = owner of=20 the ACRE-list, but I did mention, that this info, including the pics = originated (for me, anyway...) from the "other" list. see pink highlight in the original message=20 below!
 
The kind member of both lists mentioned above, = forwarded=20 the following posting on the other list to me:
 
quote=20 1:
 
-Slim ball=20 parasites-
Slim ball parasites = posting my=20 pictures on other
rotary engine list. Not a word from where they=20 originated.
I kicked the low life jerk off the list a long while=20 back:)
He did not even bother to change the names.

These = are=20 three examples. I took these pictures in
in Arlington 2004 thanks = to=20 hospitality of Richard Martin

Last picture is of Richard=20 Martin.

I am pissed. I am getting ready to sue.
 
...end of=20 quote 1.
 
 
Same day later from a = different=20 source on the same newsletter:
 
quote=20 2:
 
Paul,
That's still = the best=20 mount I've seen for the Rotary .
George (down under)

That = does not=20 excuse him from stealing my pictures.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor = no=20 motor.
 
...end of=20 quote 2.
 
 
Just to = make it=20 clear: I will forward this post directly to Mr. Paul Lamar by email, = though=20 I think he is on this list anyway!
 
Open letter = to Mr. Paul=20 Lamar:
 
 
Mr. Lamar,
 
a)   =20 I apologize that I did not mention you directly as the = "owner"=20 of the pictures in question.
At the time I posted = them I was not=20 aware that they where taken by you and not given to you by Richard=20 Martin.
I did=20 mention that I obtained them from a post on the "other = list",=20 when I still was on this list.
(...which, I hope we = can agree=20 upon, always means/meant the other one of the 2 lists - =
ACRE , or=20 AREN as you seem to call it now = and FlyRotary,=20 depending on which list it gets posted.)
 
I re-read the post and = you=20 do state that you took the pics, so again, = I=20 apologize for not specifically mentioning that fact.
 
b)   =20 On your website you mention somewhere, that it (... = your=20 website) is for the general benefit and advancement of the = Rotary=20 Engine as an alternative aircraft engine.
I admire your=20 knowledge/insight/dedication to the Rotary and your (generally) free = advice=20 and willingness to make your ideas and R&D available to the=20 public.
 
c)   =20 It surprises me that much more when you start to = "retail"=20 against someone that supposedly infringed on your = rights.
 
d)   =20 In the past, whenever I referred someone new to the = Rotary=20 engine in aviation, I always pointed them to = both=20 lists.
By the time I got = kicked off your=20 list, I started to warn people about posting opposing opinions on = your list,=20 as that might get them retired real fast.
But, Mr.=20 Lamar, I never got that low to call = you any=20 names!
And I never = will!
(I do not consider = attributes that=20 where jokingly made on this list as "calling names", your view may = differ=20 .....)
 
It is amazing, that on=20 a basically un-moderated newsletter like FlyRotary, one=20 never reads about anybody getting called = names,=20 .... except when you get quoted! =
 
e)   =20 If it means so much to you, = why=20 don't you title all your online material = with=20 "copyright Paul Lamar" - this is very easy to do, especially on=20 pictures.
If you are so serious = about it I=20 suggest to change your Greek "copyright" to English, as very few = people will=20 be able to get the note in Greek!
 
This way, the = originator of any=20 info you post on your website and/or newsletter will be = known.
 
Generally I refer = people to your=20 site, so they may find out for themselves.
Just sometimes things = are=20 faster/easier/simpler to forward.
 
f)   =20 On the specific case, the question was about=20 motormounts.
As I know your stand on = copyright=20 and giving credit where it is due, I very much did give=20 credit to the man who made the part, Richard=20 Martin.
see = pink highlight in=20 the original message below!
 
g)   =20 Copyright:
Remember one thing, = Mr.Lamar - you=20 did freely send these pictures along with the post on your = newsletter (2004,=20 if I remember right...). At the time this message was sent I still = belonged=20 to the list of receivers, so I certainly did not = steal=20 them!
 
Furthermore I did never = pretend=20 that these pics are mine or taken by me.
 
Finally, these pics = where never=20 used by me in any commercial / financial / reputation = beneficial way=20 towards me.
 
(Well, maybe Jerry gets = a couple of=20 bucks if Ben goes that direction, and=20 if Jerry accepts the = challenge...)
 
note to Jerry and=20 Ben:
Please consult with Mr. = Lamar on=20 copyright issues before proceeding with any idea or design resulting = from my=20 post!
 
Your pics where = simply used to=20 transfer an idea for a possible solution for a fellow rotary=20 enthusiast
(...something you claim = your=20 web-presence pursues too, in one way or another).
 
Again, I did not claim = any personal=20 achievements on any of this (... not the motormount, nor the = photos).=20
I would not be able to = do so, as I=20 am at the bottom of the learning curve concerning Rotaries. =
 
But, I do=20 observe/ask/question/suggest - I understand = this is all=20 a newsletter is about!
So, if I can = I will point=20 things out to fellow list members, in case they are not aware = of a=20 fact/issue/idea/etc..
 
h)   =20 It is appalling, that a man of your=20 education/experience/professional success/intellect,
returns to the state of = a=20 badmouthed teen when you feel infringed on your rights (copy or=20 other)!
 
Mr. Lamar, a simple = email with the=20 details pointed out would have been all it needed!
 
h1)   =20 You posted "He did not even bother to change the=20 names."
Can you explain what = you mean with=20 that??
What for would I want = to change any=20 names? Credit to whom it is due!
I never intended to = change any=20 names nor would I see a need to do so.
No intention to hide=20 anything!!
 
i)   =20 Considering my perception of = your lack of=20 education in civilized communications skills, I do = not expect=20 any reply from you to this letter.
I don't think you have = the courage=20 to do so!
 
Just as I gave up to = ever find the=20 reason for being "kicked off as a low life jerk a long while back" = (quote=20 from your post on your newsletter....).
To this day I have = really no idea=20 what bothered you so much to kick me off without any=20 explanation/accusation!
(Just a little = refresher, you never=20 called my attention on any issue/post/etc. You went to Oskosh '04, = and that=20 was it. After that I was off the list.)
An educated person at = least answers=20 emailed inquiries to why or what.
Did it ever occur to = you, that you=20 might have mistaken me for someone else?
If someone claimed any = statements=20 supposedly made by me, wouldn't it be prudent to investigate the=20 truth?
I bet the same = questions would=20 come from some of the other members in the = "Kicked-off"-Club on=20 this list!
 
j)   =20 There is a good percentage of Non-native English = speakers on=20 this list (... and where on yours, at the time I "was"=20 left...).
It is inevitable that = sometimes=20 things get translated the wrong way or misunderstandings arise. = Prudence=20 calls at least for an effort to straighten out issues.
Of course this will not = excuse the=20 "low-life actions" of all the native = speakers in=20 the "Kicked-off"-Club!
 
k)   =20 Just denying discussion of a subject, because you do = not agree=20 with it, does nothing to resolve the basic issue.
I refer specifically to = the=20 "plugs-up" issue as a sample.
We all know you don't = like it - but=20 you never brought up a single reason (that would stand=20 scrutiny...) why it should not be used, why it is "dangerous", = why it=20 can't be done. All you say is "no" and whoever = disagrees=20 is out!!
 
You seem to carry over = this=20 attitude to lesser things just the same.
 
By the way "plugs-up" = seems to work=20 just great and there is a whole list of benefits=20 to this installation - besides possible space = considerations,=20 which brought up this configuration in the first place. =
 
The same goes for any = members on=20 this fine list, that ever got kicked off yours.
Common sense would = reason, that=20 if these guys are all "low life jerks", = that they=20 would continue to be so on any other list and just the same in = their=20 lives - it is hard to change what you are!
However I had to come = to the=20 conclusion that all members on this list (FlyRotary) whom I am = aware=20 off, are rather extremely polite and educated people
(...in this case = education has=20 nothing to do with University/College/whatever degree....). =
I did frequent other = newslists,=20 where there is more mud-slinging than subject discussion. Not so=20 here!
 
What this means, Mr. = Lamar, is,=20 that you are very, very wrong in your assessment of most of those = whom you=20 rejected.
This is not = my subjective opinion - but a simple objective = observation=20 over time.
 
 
 
Enough = said.....
 
If you care to reply, = please do so=20 - on your list (I am sure I will get the message:)),
on this = list,
or to my email, listed=20 below.
 
Best = Regards,
 
Thomas = Jakits
Rotary = Enthusiast
rijakits@cwpanama.net
 
PS: Mr. Lamar, if you = seriously=20 consider and desire to sue, please go ahead!
If you want to waist = your=20 time/effort/money/nerves over some photo credit issues = showing the work=20 of someone else,
then you deserve all = the misery you=20 will receive from your legal=20 effort!
 
There are lots of = times in=20 life you don't get what you think you=20 should! ..........Get over and = on with=20 it !!
 
 
 
 
 
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From:=20 Thomas=20 y Reina Jakits
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, September = 05, 2006=20 8:56 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary]=20 Motor-beam-mount, was Re: Engine alignment

Hi = Ben,
 
even if you can't = use one of=20 Jerry's S-beams, he should be able to weld you one of these babies = (see=20 attached pics).
Lay them out the = way you need=20 them, have some knowledgeable engineer math it and off you=20 go!
Startermount = included, and also=20 check the turbo-pack!!
Photos are from = an old post on=20 the "other" list.
Richard Martin is = "responsible"=20 for that beauty, working for a helicopter project...
 
I have pics, if = you need/want=20 them, but these are the most "visible" ones!
 
 
I assume a CCI = would do=20 also-sideways, though I do not really like the loadpath of the=20 CCI.
Another = alternative is the=20 Mistral backplate mount, but again, I don't really like the = loadpath=20 through the engine.
My personal go is = something=20 like the pics show - or a S-beam - the load gets picked up there = and the=20 engine is left alone.
Keep on mind the = pics show a=20 mount for a helicopter project, but I believe it should be = possible to get=20 it right for plane inthe same manner, though possibly with = different=20 dimensions.
 
Thomas = J.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ben=20 Baltrusaitis
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, September = 05, 2006=20 11:41 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Engine=20 alignment

Dale,
Please post=20 pictures of your mount or send them to me directly. I am also=20 considering plugs up on my Acroduster Too mostly to help with = inverted=20 flight and oil, but also because a high thrust line is preferred = on the=20 plane.
Do = you see any=20 negatives with the installation other than not being able to use = Jerry=20 Hey's S-Beam Mount?
Do = you know if=20 plugs up will work with George's (down under) bell = housing?
Thanks!
Ben
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