Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #3360
From: Russell Duffy <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: aluminum intake tubing?
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:21:53 -0500
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Message
   If you order from Burns and bent tubing, you will get it in the "O" condition or a slightly harder condition due to the cold work hardening from bending.  I found that heating them at 500F for 8 hours seems to harden them a bit - they don't ding as easily as the "O" condition. 
 
I'm guessing this is something you have to do when your wife isn't home :-) 
 
For intake runners, I generally use 1 3/8" OD 0.058 or .065 wall thickness for the primary.  I use 1 5/8" OD same wall thickness  for secondaries.  I have used from 1 1/4" to 1 3/4" but I think the other diameters are about optimum.  
 
What would you guess for a size when using only two runners from intake to the TB?  I was planning to match the size of the TB throats as much as possible, which will make the pipes about 2-1/8" ID.   By coincidence, that works out to almost exactly the same area as your two pipes combined.  
 
 You can get the Burn's lengths and then added to the lenght.  You can do it by adding a short length (2"?) of the next larger diameter size as a coupler so that both ends fit inside.  However, its difficult to find a welder that can weld thin tubing.  I have had good success with brazing the thin wall stuff. 
 
Finding a welder in my house that can do anything useful is a challenge.  All I've managed to do with the new TIG machine is give myself a good sunburn.  I was going to practice on some aluminum today, but found that just about all I have is 2024, which is effectively un-weldable.   
 
You can get pipe bends (Elbows) from RBWagner schedule 40 which has walls of approx 0.12 ".  It is much heavier but you can use it just for the bend and then stick in straight light weight tubes from  most of your runner lenght. 
 
A dandy idea!  More welding though.   
 
Just a few options.  Me, I am currently making the mold for another plastic intake part.  This time it will be for the lower part of the intake, so I can use inexpensive straight tubing with the bend in the plastic casting rather than keep paying for expensive pre-bent tubing.
 
So are you making these plastic parts strong enough to hold 10 psi when you add the turbo :-)
 
Has anyone considered using really heavy hose for the runners, rather than something ridged like aluminum, or fiberglass?  It would have to be fuel resistant of course, which rules out silicone I believe.  I'll have to hit McMasters for 2" Viton hose :-)
 
Thanks for the info.
 
Cheers,
Rusty
 
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