Return-Path: Received: from fed1mtao01.cox.net ([68.6.19.244] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.4) with ESMTP id 2604493 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:04:38 -0400 Received: from BigAl ([68.107.116.221]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030926060434.XNKD3568.fed1mtao01.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:04:34 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B's Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:04:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c383f4$19627e50$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C383B9.6D03A650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C383B9.6D03A650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks very much for taking the time to answer my questions! I'm curious as to why you suggest the Renesis engine? What things are improved w/ this new engine? I'm wondering though, if cost wouldn't out-way the incentive because you would have to buy a new engine from Mazda? Compared to the price of a 20B engine? I tried looking up info on this new engine on Google and didn't really get anywhere and I wondering if you have other sources? Do you know even ruffly the improvements a person could expect over the 20B?weights?Power? If you had to do this all over again, what changes would you make? Would you still go w/ the 20B, Renesis? or something else? If you don't mind me asking [ just tell you you'd rather not say] How much do you have into your 20B install? How is the price of the Catto prop compared to say and IVO Magnum? Is your 20B install a normal breather or a turbo'd version? Thanks very much for all your help! I'm working on my own design and I can literally build the airframe to suite the engine or the other way around, but before I do I need to get all the facts I can! Jarrett; The 2-rotor Renesis will put out close to 90% of the hp of the 3-rotor 20B. It is considerably lighter and probably has a bit lower BSFC. The lighter rotors running at higher speed may even be smoother than the 20B. Tracy already has the redrive for it. I paid Atkins $6500 for the rebuilt 20B block plus alternator and water pump. From what I understand, that is about the same price as a new renesis. With all the custom parts, pieces, cooler, 2 radiators, inconel tangential muffler, intake manifold, TB, injectors, redrive, controller, fittings etc., etc., etc.; I have close to $22,000 into this installation. It is normally aspirated; plenty of power for a plane that is designed for 200hp Lycoming. I don't regret anything about doing this engine installation, or building the plane. I haven't flown it yet, but I expect it to excellent. If I had it all to do over again, I'd give serious consideration to buying an airplane and going flying. But then you're going on step further. I started with a kit. The Catto prop is $1650. Don't know the current price for the Ivo Magnum, but I guess it's a couple hundred more. I not impressed with the IVO from a reliability standpoint, and I think the pitch distribution limits top end performance if you expect to go over about 210-220 kts. Just one guy's point of view. . . Al ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C383B9.6D03A650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Thanks = very much for taking the time to answer my questions!  I'm curious as to why = you suggest the Renesis engine?  What things are improved w/ this new = engine? I'm wondering though, if cost wouldn't out-way the incentive because you = would have to buy a new engine from Mazda? Compared to the price of a 20B engine?  I tried looking up info on this new engine on Google and = didn't really get anywhere and I wondering if you have other sources?  Do = you know even ruffly the improvements a person could expect over the 20B?weights?Power?  If you had to do this all over again, what = changes would you make? Would you still go w/ the 20B, Renesis? or something = else? If you don't mind me asking [ just tell you you'd rather not say]  How = much do you have into your 20B install? How is the price of the Catto prop = compared to say and IVO Magnum?   Is your 20B install a normal breather = or a turbo'd version?

 

Thanks very much for all = your help!  I'm working on my own design and I can literally = build the airframe to suite the engine or the other way around, but before I = do I need to get all the facts I can!

 

Jarrett;

 

The 2-rotor Renesis will put out = close to 90% of the hp of the 3-rotor 20B.  It is considerably lighter = and probably has a bit lower BSFC.  The lighter rotors running at = higher speed may even be smoother than the 20B.  Tracy already has the redrive for it.

 

I paid Atkins $6500 for the = rebuilt 20B block plus alternator and water pump.  From what I understand, that = is about the same price as a new renesis.  With all the custom parts, = pieces, cooler, 2 radiators, inconel tangential muffler, intake manifold, TB, injectors, redrive, controller, fittings etc., etc., etc.; I have close = to $22,000 into this installation.  It is normally aspirated; plenty = of power for a plane that is designed for 200hp Lycoming.

 

I don’t regret anything = about doing this engine installation, or building the plane.  I = haven’t flown it yet, but I expect it to excellent.  If I had it all to do = over again, I’d give serious consideration to buying an airplane and = going flying.  But then you’re going on step further.  I = started with a kit.

 

The Catto prop is $1650.  = Don’t know the current price for the Ivo Magnum, but I guess it’s a = couple hundred more.  I not impressed with the IVO from a reliability standpoint, = and I think the pitch distribution limits top end performance if you expect to = go over about 210-220 kts.

 

Just one guy’s point of = view. . .

Al

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