Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #33542
From: Bulent Aliev <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Departed Exhaust
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:27:48 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Joe, why are you rebuilding your engine mount? The pipes that cracked up were 0.049" thick and welded solid. Next ones I will make from 2" and 0.065 material with slip joints. Cast manifold from NA engine and than single pipe crossed my mind too, but the sucker is very heavy. Again, you have engine mount like mine. Why are you modifying it?
Bulent "Buly" Aliev
FXE Ft lauderdale, FL
http://tinyurl.com/s5xw8


On Sep 6, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Joe Berki wrote:

Buly,
I am glad that you are safe.  What dimensions on the exhaust pipes need to
be changed?  I am wondering ir the cast iron exhaust might solve some of
thes issues.  Unfortuntly I will need to modify or build a nes engne mount.

Joe Berki
Limo EZ
Canard in primer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Departed Exhaust


Hi Buly, great to hear about your flight and happy to hear the missing
exhaust component did not cause damage - however, I would inspect the prop
blade very closely to make certain no small cracks in blade - particularly
near the hub.

 Yes, I have pulverized sufficient metal by trying different exhaust
internals to say that the shock of the exhaust pulse particular with a
turbo
block is tremendous.  I have destroyed 1/8" thick stainless steel in a
matter of hours.  It appears that if a exhaust component is perpendicular
to
the front of the shock wave, the impact on the component is such to reduce
its life to almost nil.  If the component is at an angle then its life is
much longer.  The constant flexing of the metal at 200 times/sec at 6000
rpm
caused by the strong exhaust pulse fatigues the metal extremely rapidly.

 The joke around my airport is "You can hear Ed long before you can see
him!"  - my response is that its a safety feature to let others know I am
on
my way inbound{:>).

Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bulent Aliev" <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: OT: Gardenhose as level


Joe, it was a "shake down" alright with an exhaust problem like yours.
on Sat we did some takeoffs and landings with the CFI Ron Miller.  With
gross weight of 1850 pounds, on takeoff I'm getting 6500-7000  rpm and
climb rate of about 1000 fpm. Than we went to 1500 ft over  the airport
and i did some steep turns etc for about 40 min. It flies  like a dream
(compared to C-172 :). Transponder did not work again.
Next day we got a waiver for the transponder and headed to an old
uncontrolled military field with two huge 5000 ft runways, so i can
practice landings and takeoffs. So we took off and headed for our
destination at 3500 ft over alligator country. Pulled back the power  to
5000 rpm and we were cruising at 140 knots. Nothing spectacular,  but i
kept the prop at low pitch to go easy on the engine. 15 min   later, we
heard a bang and the plane felt like we run over a rock.  First reaction
look for a place to land. But soon everything checked  out and the
engine
kept running normal with temps at 185-187F degrees  with OAT at 85F.
Landed OK at our destination and taxied to the FBO.  Ron got out first
and
started looking, but can not find anything  wrong? I got out and noticed
a
slight scuff like a drag mark 3" wide  on one of the Ivo blades starting
about where the exhaust would be  and going to the tip. The las oval
piece
of my shiny new exhaust was  missing. Mystery solved. Ivo is a one tough
prop to survive a 3" long  3" diam. SS pipe going hitting the blade.  We
continued with the  training and I was getting good at it but with lots
of
full power  takeoffs and not enough time for the engine to cool down,
some
of the  coolant boiled out on takeoff and we came down to replace to add
more  coolant and check under the hood. Added some water, cleaned the
plugs, just in case and took off again.
By now it was a sweltering heat with jungle like humidity and after  few
landings, we headed home. The trip was uneventful, the engine was
running
fine around 5000 rpm. The biggest surprise later was after I  removed
the
SS heat shields from around my new exhaust pipes. one  pipe was totaly
separated at the weld, another was half cracked.
Sound familiar Joe:) The exhaust pulses must be ferocious? people on
the
ground said they can hear me long before they can see me coming:)
More later. Got to go to work.
Bulent "Buly" Aliev
FXE Ft lauderdale, FL
http://tinyurl.com/s5xw8

On Sep 5, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Joe Hull wrote:

OK - it's supposed to be "Shake down cruise" - don't tell me you  broke
down
somewhere!!

But congrats on flying it anyway!!

Joe Hull
Cozy Mk-IV N31CZ (65 hrs - Rotary 13B NA)
Redmond (Seattle), Washington


-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft  [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
On
Behalf Of Bulent Aliev
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:20 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: OT: Gardenhose as level



Guess I need to buy some expensive clear hose .....
Finn

Finn, if you buy the right size, one day you can used for your fuel
lines on the next airplane. Worked very well on the first one :)
Buly
Finally checked out in my plane.
Did my first 100 mile "cross country". Or should I say "break down
cruise" :),

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