X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [201.225.225.167] (HELO cwpanama.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1323120 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:40:06 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.167; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.93.110] (HELO usuario5ebe209) by frontend1.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 74139057 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c6cc95$e3596d80$6e5de0c9@usuario5ebe209> From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:39:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C6CC6B.F9D7BC30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C6CC6B.F9D7BC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas, for my part, go ahead! Thought about the same, actually, though Bill (Eslick's) experience = seems to be different. I only can second your thoughts about Sport Aviation Magazine - it seems = they are actually afraid to put in real Experimentals anymore!! Some years ago I back ordered some older mags anf boy do they reek of = Experimental!! NO fears to mention an engine failure or a couple in a = row, how to get the best out of the VW-junk parts to get it in the air a = couple of times more! I subscribed one more time, but did note that this their last chance! Kitplanes and some of the other mags are a whole lot better - took the = wind out of the sails for SA.... Thomas Jakits=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Phy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh Hi all, I was just going to forward these messages to EAA National, but I = thought I should first ask for permission. I did not get to Oshkosh this = year. In fact, I have not attended for various reasons for over 18 = years! I do attend Arlington, and I certainly do enjoy the atmosphere = there.=20 I've also just finished reading the EAA eHotline, volume 6 Number 36, = (no I don't follow every link) and accept for the article labeled = "Largest kit builder working on LSA" (and then they started off talking = about Cessna's LSA) there was not too much about Experimental A/C at = all. (oh yea, some gentleman flew his Pelican from Brazil, A better man = then me) Even the LSA Mall, was all abuzz about the advent of = "CERTIFIED", buy and fly, Special Light Sport Aircraft (S-LSA) . Look = Ma, Ya don't even have to build it! I to, have been a member for a long, long time. (EAA # 115635). For = the most part, I don't read the magazine anymore. At best, I just page = through it and recycle it to the library. Used to be I read it cover to = cover, as soon as it arrived. I was also an A/P, working in the small = FBO's of PA. & NJ., then working for regional airlines. I learned allot, = about allot of things back then, through the magazine. So, do I have your blessings to forward these comments, and anyone = else that may have had similar experiences? If your a better word smith = then I (or not), and your able to put your thoughts onto the backs of = some electrons, send them to me and I'll forward "OUR" thoughts to every = email address I can find in the Sport Aviation. I know, this is a rotary group. But this is our organization that has = moved to the dark side. Thanks for letting me vent. Thomas Phy RV-7, Renesis on a boat (I hope) EAA # 115635 V.P. EAA Chapter 1345 Bend Or. 97756 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Perkinson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh I think the only reason that I keep My membership in the EAA is the = relatively low member number,below 150,000. Joined in 1977 when the = magazine contained articles about home built airplanes, and the adds = were segregated in the back of the book. Jack Cox was my hero, he could = paint a verbal picture of an airplane that left you wanting more. Those = days are gone. I could see it coming when the magazine first came out = with the back of the front page , which was always reserved for an = article from President Paul, sold to advertise someone's commercial = product. It's hard to tell Sports Aviation from People magazine now. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:53 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh Hi all - this is Laura Crook (Tracy's wife). Tracy arrived at = Oshkosh on 7/27 (Thursday) about 1:30 pm local time. He didn't mention = how many planes were on the field, but he did recount this story: Every year for the past 9 years the EAA has graciously mailed = Tracy a special arrival sign to display upon landing, to indicate that = he is an auto powered plane. The sign is always accompanied by a letter = going on and on about how the auto engine pilots exemplify the "true = spirit" of Experimental Aviation blah blah blah. For almost as = many years, upon arrival, the ground crew either has absolutely zero = idea what an "auto powered" plane is and leads him to a random parking = spot and/or after landing, it they know where the auto powered row is, = they taxi him for 1.5 HOURS, usually in the 95 degree heat (translation: = 110 degrees in an RV cockpit). This year was no exception - they did park him on the auto powered = row after a 1.5 hour taxi. He was NOT a happy person when he called me. = He is not sure that he will ever attend again - it is just inexcusable = year after year after year. =20 Laura ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Downing=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Oshkosh Buly; I just returned from Oshkosh, not sure if there were 50 = homebuilts on the field. Every where you looked you could see planes = that qualified if you could sign 51% of your name. The main theme of = conversation on home building by folks looking at The Wittman Tailwinds, = was, what has happened. At SAA two years ago, Paul mentioned at the = banquet that a young couple came to camp and didn't have the money to = get on the flight line, he said they were escorted out and shown the = road and most of the gathering applauded. The only reason I stopped by, = was my daughter was there with my grandson working on a Boy Scout Badge. = I could go on and tell how we were treated like %#@&, but I won't. I = don't care if I never make it to Oshkosh with my home built. JohnD ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C6CC6B.F9D7BC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thomas,
 
for my part, go ahead!
Thought about the same, actually, though Bill = (Eslick's)=20 experience seems to be different.
I only can second your thoughts about Sport = Aviation=20 Magazine - it seems they are actually afraid to put in real = Experimentals=20 anymore!!
 
Some years ago I back ordered some older mags = anf boy do=20 they reek of Experimental!! NO fears to mention an engine failure or a = couple in=20 a row, how to get the best out of the VW-junk parts to get it in the air = a=20 couple of times more!
 
I subscribed one more time, but did note that = this their=20 last chance!
 
Kitplanes and some of the other mags are a whole = lot=20 better - took the wind out of the sails for SA....
 
Thomas Jakits 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas = Phy
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 = 1:10 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Oshkosh

Hi all,
I was just going to forward these messages to = EAA=20 National, but I thought I should first ask for permission. I did not = get to=20 Oshkosh this year. In fact, I have not attended for various reasons = for over=20 18 years! I do attend Arlington, and I certainly do enjoy the = atmosphere=20 there. 
 
I've also just finished reading the EAA = eHotline, volume=20 6 Number 36, (no I don't follow every link) and accept for the article = labeled=20 "Largest kit builder working on LSA" (and then they started off = talking=20 about Cessna's LSA) there was not too much about Experimental A/C at = all. (oh=20 yea, some gentleman flew his Pelican from Brazil, A better man then = me) Even=20 the LSA Mall, was all abuzz about the advent of "CERTIFIED", buy and = fly,=20 Special Light Sport Aircraft (S-LSA) . Look Ma, Ya don't even = have to=20 build it!
I to, have been a member for a long, long = time. (EAA #=20 115635). For the most part, I don't read the magazine = anymore. At=20 best, I just page through it and recycle it to the library. Used to be = I read=20 it cover to cover, as soon as it arrived. I was also an A/P, working = in the=20 small FBO's of PA. & NJ., then working for regional = airlines. I=20 learned allot, about allot of things back then, through the=20 magazine.
So, do I have your blessings to forward these = comments,=20 and anyone else that may have had similar experiences? If your a = better word=20 smith then I (or not), and your able to put your thoughts onto the = backs of=20 some electrons, send them to me and I'll forward "OUR" thoughts to = every email=20 address I can find in the Sport Aviation.
I know, this is a rotary group. But this is = our=20 organization that has moved to the dark side. Thanks for letting me=20 vent.
Thomas Phy
RV-7, Renesis on a boat (I hope)
EAA # 115635
V.P. EAA Chapter 1345
Bend Or. 97756
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob=20 Perkinson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 = 8:34=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Oshkosh

I think the only reason that I = keep My=20 membership in the EAA is the relatively low member number,below=20 150,000.  Joined in 1977 when the magazine contained articles = about=20 home built airplanes, and the adds were segregated in the back of = the=20 book.  Jack Cox was my hero, he could paint a verbal picture of = an=20 airplane that left you wanting more.  Those days are = gone.  I=20 could see it coming when the magazine first came out with the back = of the=20 front page , which was always reserved for an article from President = Paul,=20 sold to advertise someone's commercial product.  It's hard to = tell=20 Sports Aviation from People magazine now.
 

Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If = nothing=20 changes
Nothing changes
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of = Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:53 = AM
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Oshkosh

Hi all  - this is Laura Crook (Tracy's wife).  = Tracy=20 arrived at Oshkosh on 7/27 (Thursday) about 1:30 pm local = time.  He=20 didn't mention how many planes were on the field, but he did = recount this=20 story:
 
Every year for the past 9 years the EAA has graciously mailed = Tracy a=20 special arrival sign to display upon landing, to indicate that he = is an=20 auto powered plane.  The sign is always accompanied by a = letter going=20 on and on about how the auto engine pilots exemplify the "true = spirit" of=20 Experimental Aviation   blah  blah   = blah. =20 For almost as many years, upon arrival,  the ground crew = either has=20 absolutely zero idea what an "auto powered" plane is and leads him = to a=20 random parking spot and/or after landing, it they  know where = the=20 auto powered row is, they taxi him for 1.5 HOURS, usually in the = 95 degree=20 heat (translation: 110 degrees in an RV cockpit).
 
This year was no exception - they did park him on the auto = powered=20 row after a 1.5 hour taxi.  He was NOT a happy person when he = called=20 me.  He is not sure that he will ever attend again - it is = just=20 inexcusable year after year after year. 
 
Laura
----- Original Message ----- =
From: John Downing
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, July 28, = 2006 10:06=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Oshkosh

Buly;  I just returned from = Oshkosh, not sure=20 if there were 50 homebuilts on the field.  Every where you = looked=20 you could see planes that qualified if you could sign 51% of = your=20 name.  The main theme of conversation on home building by = folks=20 looking at The Wittman Tailwinds, was, what has happened.  = At SAA=20 two years ago, Paul mentioned at the banquet that a young couple = came to=20 camp and didn't have the money to get on the flight line, he = said they=20 were escorted out and shown the road and most of the gathering=20 applauded.  The only reason I stopped by, was my daughter = was there=20 with my grandson working on a Boy Scout Badge.  I could go = on and=20 tell how we were treated like %#@&, but I won't.  I = don't care=20 if I never make it to Oshkosh with my home built. =20 = JohnD
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