X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [201.225.225.167] (HELO cwpanama.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1125583 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 May 2006 21:20:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.167; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.93.110] (HELO usuarioq3efog0) by frontend1.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 67797938 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <012e01c67ed0$13b3ddd0$6e5de0c9@usuarioq3efog0> From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rationalization was [FlyRotary] Re: Questions from a potential rotaryphile Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:19:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012A_01C67EA6.2A98B680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C67EA6.2A98B680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageI hope Mistral can keep their price competitive with Lycoming. Than we shall see!! TJ :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Duffy To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rationalization was [FlyRotary] Re: Questions from a potential rotaryphile However, I believe, there is plenty of objective evidence that says the rotary is comparable or better than the Lycoming in just about any aspect you want to consider. Hi Ed, I would agree with the above statement, but unfortunately, the one key area where the rotary clearly hasn't demonstrated superiority is "FWF reliability". The rotary group has had way too many failures in the past couple years, and this needs to be the area we work on. Most of it has been silly things, and I'm certainly ashamed for my contribution to the problems. Even the Aviation Sport article supports that conclusion Does anyone have an electronic copy of this article they could send me? I guess I'm the only one who hasn't read it. certainly cost less (even if you have to buy engine parts new), etc., etc. So no doubt there is some rationalization- but I'm not certain over what? I would argue cost, and have in the past. I would (actually have) bet real money that the $21k Lyclone I just installed on the RV-8 will work out to be cheaper than a rotary engine installation over the few years (at least) that I hope to fly this plane. This factors in resale of course. IF somebody would take the rotary and produce a reasonably price FWF kit, I believe you would find the rotary installations would expand exponentially. Most folks are understandably a bit daunted by the challenge of designing and putting that all together on their on. Amen brother!!! This is certainly what would need to happen. Powersport made a great engine installation, but at such a high price that not too many people bought it. If someone like Eggenfellner would make a rotary package, it would be expensive, but from a name that people know (whether they can spell it or not), and trust. I would certainly hope that people would see the value of a rotary over the Subaru given the same price, and FWF producer. Better get started on that article now :-) Actually, I was wondering if the rotary group could put together it's own fly-off between similar planes. It would have to be well documented, but we have enough engineers here to make sure of that. Heck, in the not too distant future, we should ( <--- key word ) have a 2 and 3 rotor RV-8 to test against my Lycoming. Cheers, Rusty (T-minus about 53 hours until I'm back home) PS, can't wait to hear how the 500HP Lancair flies! ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C67EA6.2A98B680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I hope Mistral can keep their = price=20 competitive with Lycoming.
Than we shall see!!
 
TJ :))
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Russell=20 Duffy
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:11 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rationalization=20 was [FlyRotary] Re: Questions from a potential rotaryphile

However, I = believe,  there=20 is plenty of objective evidence that says the rotary is comparable or = better=20 than the Lycoming in just about any aspect you want to = consider.  
 
Hi Ed,
 
I would agree with the above = statement, but=20 unfortunately, the one key area where the rotary clearly hasn't=20 demonstrated superiority is "FWF reliability".  The = rotary=20 group has had way too many failures in the past couple = years,=20 and this needs to be the area we work on.  Most of it = has been=20 silly things, and I'm certainly ashamed for my contribution = to the=20 problems.          
Even the Aviation Sport = article supports=20 that conclusion 
 
Does anyone=20 have an electronic copy of this article they could send me?  I = guess I'm=20 the only one who hasn't read it. 
 
certainly cost less = (even if you=20 have to buy engine parts new), etc., etc.   So no doubt = there is=20 some rationalization- but I'm not certain over what?   
 
I would argue cost, and have in the past.  I = would=20 (actually have) bet real money that the $21k Lyclone I = just=20 installed on the RV-8 will work out to be cheaper than = a rotary=20 engine installation over the few years (at least) that I hope to fly = this=20 plane.  This factors in resale of course.  =20    
 
IF somebody would take = the rotary=20 and produce a reasonably price FWF kit, I believe you would find the = rotary=20 installations would expand exponentially.  Most folks are = understandably=20 a bit daunted by the challenge of designing and  putting that all = together on their on. 
 
Amen brother!!!  This is certainly what would = need to=20 happen.   Powersport made a great engine installation, but = at such a=20 high price that not too many people bought it.  If someone like=20 Eggenfellner would make a rotary package, it would be expensive, but = from a=20 name that people know (whether they can spell it or not), and = trust.  I=20 would certainly hope that people would see the value of a rotary over = the=20 Subaru given the same price, and FWF=20 producer. 
 
Better get started on that article now :-)  = Actually, I was=20 wondering if the rotary group could put together it's own fly-off = between=20 similar planes.  It would have to be well documented, but we = have=20 enough engineers here to make sure of that.  Heck, in the = not too=20 distant future, we should ( <--- key word <g>) have a 2 and 3 = rotor=20 RV-8 to test against my Lycoming. =20  
 
Cheers,
Rusty (T-minus about 53 hours until I'm back=20 home)    
 
PS, can't wait to hear how the 500HP Lancair=20 flies!   
 
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