X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net ([68.230.241.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1073212 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:28:38 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.31; envelope-from=ALVentures@cox.net Received: from BigAl ([68.7.14.39]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060419142750.WSXA20694.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:27:50 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress Report Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c663bd$7f98ffe0$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66382.D33C98E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66382.D33C98E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark; =20 Since I am about to start talking to insurance folks to get 'in-motion' coverage - who have you been talking to? =20 Thanks, =20 Al =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress Report =20 Tim, Last summer I was making plans to move my project out to the Lockhart airport. The airport management wouldn't let me move in until I could = show proof of insurance. When getting insurance, I was told that I would = have to have a Lancair inspection. I questioned that and stated that nothing = had been said about a Lancair final inspection any time prior to now. They ended up dropping that requirement in lieu of a written engine test = plan. They may insist on it for the more recent kits. It would surely be = worth checking into when choosing a project. The insurance agent was very familiar with Tracy's products and the fact that I am using RWS products = was a definite plus in obtaining insurance.=20 =20 BTW, the ES is the "slow" model of fast planes from Lancair. =20 Mark=20 =20 _____ =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Timothy Peters Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:04 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress Report =20 Mark, =20 Thanks for the update. I enjoy reading everyone's updates although I'm = not building just yet. =20 =20 I did have one question. The high speed Lancairs are getting a high = risk reputation. I thought I had read somewhere recently that in order to = get insurance on the Lancairs now, you had to have your plane checked out by = the "factory"... and the "factory" would not sign off on any alternative engines. =20 =20 I know the insurance topic has been kicked around a few times, but I was wondering if you or someone else here knew of any information specific = to the Lancairs. =20 =20 -Tim =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark R Steitle =20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Progress Report =20 Its been a while since I posted anything on Fly Rotary, so I though I = would post a progress report on my 20B Lancair ES. This report will pale by comparison to Buly's first flight report. But here it is anyway. =20 Well, after many hours of pain and suffering, I finally got the cowl installation finished. There are some minor "finish-up" items, but for = the most part, it is done, except for some micro and primer. Wahoo!!! Now = on to more enjoyable stuff. =20 After getting the cowl install done I felt that I really needed some = fun. Last time I ran the engine was before Christmas '05. So, I decided to = roll the ES out of the hangar and run it a little yesterday. After looking = over the engine compartment for loose items I set the parking brake and = chocked the wheels just to be sure. Before I could even get settled in the = cockpit a small crowd had formed. It seems like that's going to be the norm for = a while yet. =20 =20 Oops #1. a few weeks back I had unplugged the lead to the starter = solenoid so I wouldn't accidentally trigger the starter while working on = installing the cowl fasteners. As luck would have it, I had neglected to plug the connector back into the starter solenoid. When I hit the start switch = all I got was "click, click". Then I remembered disconnecting the starter solenoid lead. Phil plugged it back in and we were good for engine = start. =20 =20 Oops #2. The next thing I did was flood the engine to the point that = there was fuel running out of the exhaust. It formed about a 1' dia. puddle = on the pavement. With temps in the 90's, I guess I didn't really need to = use the "Cold Start" feature. That plus a few hits on the primer/program = button had it flooded royally. A short wait for the puddle to dry followed by cranking with the fuel pumps off and throttle open got it cleared out. Ready to try it again, Mains ON, ignition ON, "COLD START" OFF, pumps = ON, and coils ON. Hit START. And this time she started right up. Turn on = ALT FLD for MAIN and AUX alternators, both are charging. After warming up = the engine and with all readings in the green, and an OK from my observer = Phil standing off to the side (next to the fire extinguisher), I ran it up to 2500, then 3000, 3500, 4000, and 4400. It felt strong and like it = wanted to keep revving faster and faster. A little tweaking with the mixture knob made a huge difference in smoothness. Its really obvious when the = mixture is set right by how silky smooth the 20B gets. Its like having an = electric motor under the cowl. Too cool! =20 It was at that point that Phil yelled that things were blowing around = inside the hangar and stuff was dancing around on the shelves. I had wanted to = go to 5k, but decided to call it quits for the day and so I shut her down. = I still need to do the finer tuning with the new auto-tune feature, but I = was pretty happy with how strong it ran. The crowd, with their windblown = faces, dispersed and Phil and I rolled the ES back into the hangar. Next = weekend it will be back to working on the last 10%. =20 =20 Keep building. Mark =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66382.D33C98E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mark;

 

Since I am about to start talking to insurance = folks to get ‘in-motion’ coverage – who have you been talking = to?

 

Thanks,

 

Al

 

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress Report

 

Tim,

Last summer I = was making plans to move my project out to the Lockhart airport.  The airport management wouldn’t let me move in until I could show proof of insurance.  When getting insurance, I was told that I would have to = have a Lancair inspection.  I questioned that and stated that nothing had = been said about a Lancair final inspection any time prior to now.  They = ended up dropping that requirement in lieu of a written engine test = plan.  They may insist on it for the more recent kits.  It would surely be = worth checking into when choosing a project.  The insurance agent was = very familiar with Tracy’s products and the fact that I am using RWS products = was a definite plus in obtaining insurance.

 

BTW, the ES is = the “slow” model of fast planes from Lancair.

 

Mark =

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Timothy Peters
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:04 = PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Progress Report

 

Mark,

 

Thanks for the = update.  I enjoy reading everyone's updates although I'm not building just yet.  =

 

I did have one = question.  The high speed Lancairs are getting a high risk reputation.  I = thought I had read somewhere recently that in order to get insurance on the = Lancairs now, you had to have your plane checked out by the = "factory"...  and the "factory" would not sign off on any alternative engines. 

 

I know the insurance topic = has been kicked around a few times, but I was wondering if you or someone else = here knew of any information specific to the Lancairs. 

 

-Tim

 

----- Original Message = -----

From: Mark R Steitle =

Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:23 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Progress Report

 

Its been a while = since I posted anything on Fly Rotary, so I though I would post a progress = report on my 20B Lancair ES.  This report will pale by comparison to = Buly’s first flight report.  But here it is anyway.

 

Well, after many = hours of pain and suffering, I finally got the cowl installation finished.  = There are some minor “finish-up” items, but for the most part, it = is done, except for some micro and primer.  Wahoo!!!  Now on to = more enjoyable stuff.

 

After getting = the cowl install done I felt that I really needed some fun.  Last time I ran = the engine was before Christmas ‘05.  So, I decided to roll the = ES out of the hangar and run it a little yesterday.  After looking over = the engine compartment for loose items I set the parking brake and chocked = the wheels just to be sure.   Before I could even get settled in = the cockpit a small crowd had formed.  It seems like that’s going = to be the norm for a while yet. 

 

Oops #1… a = few weeks back I had unplugged the lead to the starter solenoid so I = wouldn’t accidentally trigger the starter while working on installing the cowl fasteners.  As luck would have it, I had neglected to plug the = connector back into the starter solenoid.  When I hit the start switch all I = got was “click, click”.   Then I remembered disconnecting = the starter solenoid lead.  Phil plugged it back in and we were good = for engine start. 

 

Oops #2… = The next thing I did was flood the engine to the point that there was fuel = running out of the exhaust.  It formed about a 1’ dia. puddle on the = pavement.  With temps in the 90’s, I guess I didn’t really need = to use the “Cold Start” feature.  That plus a few hits on the primer/program button had it flooded royally.  A short wait for the = puddle to dry followed by cranking with the fuel pumps off and throttle open = got it cleared out.  Ready to try it again, Mains ON, ignition ON, = “COLD START” OFF, pumps ON, and coils ON.  Hit START… And = this time she started right up.  Turn on ALT FLD for MAIN and AUX = alternators, both are charging.  After warming up the engine and with all readings in = the green, and an OK from my observer Phil standing off to the side (next to = the fire extinguisher), I ran it up to 2500, then 3000, 3500, 4000, and = 4400.  It felt strong and like it wanted to keep revving faster and = faster.  A little tweaking with the mixture knob made a huge difference in smoothness.  Its really obvious when the mixture is set right by = how silky smooth the 20B gets.  Its like having an electric motor under the = cowl.  Too cool!

 

It was at that = point that Phil yelled that things were blowing around inside the hangar and stuff = was dancing around on the shelves.  I had wanted to go to 5k, but = decided to call it quits for the day and so I shut her down.  I still need to = do the finer tuning with the new auto-tune feature, but I was pretty happy with = how strong it ran.  The crowd, with their windblown faces, dispersed = and Phil and I rolled the ES back into the hangar.  Next weekend it will be = back to working on the last 10%. 

 

Keep = building…

Mark      

 

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