X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from email2k3.itlnet.net ([64.19.112.12] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.7f) with ESMTP id 940762 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:53:42 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.19.112.12; envelope-from=jwvoto@itlnet.net Received: from rav.itlnet.net (unverified [192.168.10.149]) by itlnet.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.22) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:52:59 -0600 Received: from JWVOTO (unverified [64.19.117.111]) by itlnet.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.22) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:52:57 -0600 Message-ID: <00b101c61f00$1b35a780$6f751340@JWVOTO> From: "Wendell Voto" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Auto fuel Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:01:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C61ECD.CAF1A1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C61ECD.CAF1A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Ewen=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Auto fuel Another epoxy to consider is Jeffco 9700. This is the fuel tank = coating reccomended by Velocity. The Jeffco is designed as a fuel tank = coating and does not require post cure heating as the Pro-Set = combination requires. According to the Pro-Set web site the 145 / 226 = combination requires post cure heating; " Post-cure heat -- 110=B0F to = 180=B0F (43=B0C to 82=B0C) will accelerate the cure and improve the = physical properties of the cured epoxy, and is required with 145 Resin = mixtures to reach an acceptable degree of cure. =20 Joe I have not done any post cure yet, the guy on the phone said that if I = was a year away from flying that a post cure probably would not be = resquired but putting the plane out in the sun with some black plastic = over the strakes would heat it enough to do a post cure. Wendell ----- Original Message -----=20 From: al p wick=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Auto fuel Way to be thorough Wendell! I encourage the mason jar test too, just = to make sure. -al wick Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru = 2.5 N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design = info: http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:21:40 -0600 "Wendell Voto" = writes: I'm building with epoxy and was using West Systems because the = boat people recommend it for fuel tanks. Out of curiosity, I e-mailed = West Systems questioning the use of their epoxy with fuel with alcohol. = They did not e-mail back but quickly phoned to tell me that it would not = hold up to alcohol and suggested using Pro-Set 145 resin with Pro-Set = 226 hardener. I used this as a coating on the Cozy tanks and also to = bond the top skins onto the tanks. Wendell ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Auto fuel Al, Your statement below could lead some to think that by adding = more hardner to an epoxy mix that you could make it more resistant to = fuel. I don't think that is what you meant, you might want to clarify it = *and* provide the name/model of the epoxy that you tested. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 -al wick Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru = 2.5 N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design = info: http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C61ECD.CAF1A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe = Ewen=20
Sent: Saturday, January 21, = 2006 7:32=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Auto = fuel

Another epoxy to consider is Jeffco = 9700. =20 This is the fuel tank coating reccomended by Velocity.  The = Jeffco is=20 designed as a fuel tank coating and does not require post cure heating = as the=20 Pro-Set combination requires.  According to the Pro-Set web site = the 145=20 / 226 combination requires post cure heating; " Post-cure heat -- 110=B0F to 180=B0F (43=B0C to 82=B0C) will = accelerate the=20 cure and improve the physical properties of the cured epoxy, and is=20 required with 145 Resin mixtures to reach an acceptable degree = of=20 cure. 
 
Joe
 
I have not done any post cure yet, the guy = on the=20 phone said that if I was a year away from flying that a post cure = probably=20 would not be resquired but putting the plane out in the sun with some = black=20 plastic over the strakes would heat it enough to do a post = cure.
Wendell
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 al p = wick
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, January 21, = 2006 8:43=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Auto = fuel

Way to be thorough Wendell! I encourage the mason jar test too, = just to=20 make sure.
 

-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV = powered by=20 stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from = Portland,=20 Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass = panel=20 design info:
htt= p://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
 
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:21:40 -0600 "Wendell Voto" <jwvoto@itlnet.net> = writes:
I'm building with epoxy and was using = West=20 Systems because the boat people recommend it for fuel tanks. Out = of=20 curiosity, I e-mailed West Systems questioning the use of their = epoxy with=20 fuel with alcohol.  They did not e-mail back but quickly = phoned to=20 tell me that it would not hold up to alcohol and=20 suggested using Pro-Set 145 resin with = Pro-Set=20 226 hardener. I used this as a coating on the Cozy tanks = and also=20 to bond the top skins onto the tanks.
 
Wendell
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 William
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, January = 18, 2006=20 10:29 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Auto=20 fuel

Al,
Your statement below could lead = some to=20 think that by adding more hardner to an epoxy mix that you could = make it=20 more resistant to fuel. I don't think that is what you meant, = you might=20 want to clarify it *and* provide the name/model of the epoxy = that you=20 tested.
 
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
 
 

-al wick
Artificial = intelligence in=20 cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on = engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru = install,=20 Risk assessment, Glass panel design=20 = info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
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