X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 917729 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:53:45 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.198.35; envelope-from=rlwhite@comcast.net Received: from Quail (bgp01386375bgs.brodwy01.nm.comcast.net[68.35.160.229]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010820530001300dbus4e>; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:53:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:53:22 -0700 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: First Engine Start Message-Id: <20060108135322.cc29ae8f.rlwhite@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.1.9 (GTK+ 2.8.3; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:04:32 EST Lehanover@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:03:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rlwhite@comcast.net writes: > > Thanks Bill, > > After reading the horror stories of engine starts without a load, I had > vowed to not even try. For once I made the right choice. Maybe Tracy > needs to add a rev limiter feature so that the engine won't run over > 9000 rpm for those others that insist on doing it. Sounds like an easy > software change to me. :) Anybody want to go over 9K? (Except Lynn) > > Bob W. > > > > > > Once years ago, a young fellow asked me to help him tune up his rotary at > the track. I walked over and he fired up and revved his engine to a scream and > it 4 cycled solid for a second. I backed away from the flywheel scatter zone, > giving him the cut sign. > > The engine returned to idle, and ran normally, (for a Bridgeport) at 2,000 > RPM). > > He thought the awful sound (of the rev limiter) was a tuning problem. > With no load, from zero to the Moon is 1/4 second. The Moon is 59,000 miles > past ruined engine. > > A rev limiter on both leading and trailing is required since either will > take it past the other rev limiter with no load. I run two MSDs with 9,600 RPM > chips. I like to hear it hit the limiters once in a while just to be sure the > driver is trying real hard. > > With a prop mounted, damage is unlikely. > > A first start check list should confirm wheels chocked. Plane tied to > immovable object. Throttle closed. Experienced pilot at the controls. Full up > elevator. Toe brakes on. A positive method for shutting off ignition energy, with > switch or breaker exposed and with a finger on that switch, or breaker. An > adult standing by with a Co2 fire bottle with the pin pulled. > Assume that the fuel system will leak and cause a fire. It will. Maybe not > this time, but it will. > > Assume that oil pressure will drop to zero right after you look at it the > first time. Maybe not this time, but it will. Lost prime, oil lines not filled, > coolers not filled, sump not full, plastic pressure gage line melted in two, > Fram car filter can split open, oil line not tightened fully. > > Assume that all of your help are blithering idiots. Including that imbecile > you put in the cockpit. Explain at length that anyone seeing anything they > even suspect as abnormal, should wave an arm overhead so as to alert the cockpit > guy to shut it off. No other thoughts are to be transmitted in this fashion. > Just shut it off. If somebody points at anything having forgotten the wave > rule, shut it off. If somebody runs away, shut it off. If somebody puts both > hands over their mouth and backs away slowly, shut it off > > To the pilot weight equivalent in the cockpit, anybody waves an arm, or you > think you saw anything that may have looked even remotely like an arm waving, > you shut it off. Shut it off after one minute no matter what. To check the > water and to see if the shut it off scheme really works. > > > > And the number one killer of rotaries............................No water > flow on start up. > > The pump is mounted high on the block. The air in the block takes several > heat cycles to remove. A dose of air in the pump, stops flow cold. I hold one > hand on the water pump outlet, and wait for one minute for heat at the outlet. > No heat? shut it off and get the air out of the pump. Once heat starts to > build, I take the cap off of the swirl pot and watch water enter the pot. The > pump will stop no matter what the water temperature. So just because it gets > hot means nothing. Let it run for one minute, and shut it down to check that > water level at the top of the pump. It takes me three heat cycles to get all of > the air out. And my system works great. > > Do all of this outside the hanger. That way all of the planes in the hanger > will not be lost when the hanger goes up in flames. > > If you are alone, Don't even try it. > > Lynn E. Hanover > Hi Lynn, Sound like great rules to follow. I have at least one advantage. My water pump is at the lowest point in the system, and I ran it for at least an hour before starting the engine. (Of course EWP's don't work, but I'll find that out later.) :) I did have a couple of people standing around with fire extinguishers, but it would have been good to put a bit more of a plan in place. I was pleasantly surprised that my leaks were minimal. There is one very small drip and it may be coming from the oil vent tube. I never got around to running it anywhere. The caution about lines not being properly tightened also applies to the gas lines. I tested the fuel system before trying to start the engine. I found one fitting weeping slightly. The fitting was only finger tight. I checked the others and found two more that weren't tight but were, at least temporarily, not leaking a drop. Bob W. -- http://www.bob-white.com N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (first engine start 1/7/06) Custom Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/