X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTP id 916199 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:02:56 -0500 Received: from [63.24.59.101] ([63.24.42.79]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ISP00AL39OSZ8K2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:02:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:03:23 -0800 From: Ken Welter Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dodge vs Ford In-reply-to: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1075523082==_ma============" References: --============_-1075523082==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I forgot to mention that I am planing on putting oiling for a CS prop in my gearbox, I hope to have a gearbox flying by spring but doubt I will have a CS prop and governor on it by then as I will leave that for next winters work and I want to prove the gears to work first and then tackle the rest. Ken >George, >Mistral's PSRU is a custom made gearset. Which can be done of >course, it's just hard to justify the expense unless you sell many >of them! A very nice looking job BTW though expensive. Some one >needs to design a new lower cost (electric CS) prop. Other wise the >Mistral unit looks good for the 10 despite it's high initial cost. >Bill Jepson >Ken, >Good info - keep it coming! >Now just find me an overdrive, straight cut gears (NEW) with a 2.5:1 >ratio, steel planet with gears running on needle bearings, with a >RH Turning prop. >That shouldn't be too hard - I'm seriously looking to have one made! >I wonder where Mistral gets theirs from? >George ( down under) > > Here is is an email that was sent to me to forward to you all >from a friend of mine that talked me out of building a C-6 based >3.17 ratio gearbox and talked me into using the 3.21 Dodge gears. > He is not on this list but you may have heard of him as he is on >the rotary roster as he is building a Coot with a rotary and he is >using one of my 2.95 belt drives and he should be flying it this >summer. > He thinks I am nuts going away from the belt drive that I have put >900 trouble free hrs on and says he will stick with the belt even >though works on transmissions for a living. > > Ken Welter > > > > > > > >>Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:47:42 -0800 (PST) >>From: Arnold >>Subject: Re: Fwd Re: [FlyRotary]Soapbox Warning! PSRU Ratios >>X-Originating-IP: [66.218.79.59] >>To: Ken Welter >> >One thing I can tell you is that in the last 15 plus years that I >have dealt with planetaries, I still see Ford sun gears coming apart >in 80% of units I take apart and I have yet to find a bad Dodge sun >gear with the exception on total planet meltdown due to a plugged >trans cooler. I am not an engineer, just an observer and a very >qualified transmission expert. > > > >Another thing I can tell you is that it was not the amount of pinion >gears that were put into the Ford planets that made it better, it >was the change from aluminum to steel to keep the splines from >stripping out. Also, the Ford planets are only being used (loaded) >during up shifts and the Dodge planet set in question is being used >during the long period of time the truck is towing the trailer down >the highway in overdrive. > > > >Good luck with your ratio debate and I hope this info is of help. > > > >Arnold Norton ASE certified > >American Transmissions --============_-1075523082==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [FlyRotary] Re: Dodge vs Ford


     I forgot to mention that I am planing on putting oiling for a CS prop in my gearbox, I hope to have a gearbox flying by spring but doubt I will have a CS prop and governor on it by then as I will leave that for next winters work and I want to prove the gears to work first and then tackle the rest.
 Ken





George,
Mistral's PSRU is a custom made gearset. Which can be done of course, it's just hard to justify the expense unless you sell many of them! A very nice looking job BTW though expensive. Some one needs to design a new lower cost (electric CS) prop. Other wise the Mistral unit looks good for the 10 despite it's high initial cost.
Bill Jepson
Ken,
Good info - keep it coming!
Now just find me an overdrive, straight cut gears (NEW) with a 2.5:1 ratio, steel planet with  gears running on needle bearings, with a RH Turning prop. 
That shouldn't be too hard - I'm seriously looking to have one made! 
I wonder where Mistral gets theirs from?
George ( down under)
   Here is is an email that was sent to me to forward to you all from a friend of mine that talked me out of building a C-6 based 3.17 ratio gearbox and talked me into using the 3.21 Dodge gears.
  He is not on this list but you may have heard of him as he is on the rotary roster as he is building a Coot with a rotary and he is using one of my 2.95 belt drives and he should be flying it this summer.
  He thinks I am nuts going away from the belt drive that I have put 900 trouble free hrs on and says he will stick with the belt even though works on transmissions for a living.
 
  Ken Welter







Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:47:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Arnold <vwsandndirt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd Re: [FlyRotary]Soapbox Warning!   PSRU Ratios
X-Originating-IP: [66.218.79.59]
To: Ken Welter <rotary.coot@verizon.net>
One thing I can tell you is that in the last 15 plus years that I have dealt with planetaries, I still see Ford sun gears coming apart in 80% of units I take apart and I have yet to find a bad Dodge sun gear with the exception on total planet meltdown due to a plugged trans cooler.  I am not an engineer, just an observer and a very qualified transmission expert.
 
Another thing I can tell you is that it was not the amount of pinion gears that were put into the Ford planets that made it better, it was the change from aluminum to steel to keep the splines from stripping out.  Also, the Ford planets are only being used (loaded) during up shifts and the Dodge planet set in question is being used during the long period of time the truck is towing the trailer down the highway in overdrive.
 
Good luck with your ratio debate and I hope this info is of help.
 
Arnold Norton    ASE certified
American Transmissions

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