X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.185] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.6) with ESMTPS id 915137 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:50:45 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.185; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-237-224-130.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.237.224.130]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k069noXS023246 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:49:54 +1100 Message-ID: <001301c612a6$8b32a120$82e0eddc@george> From: "george lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Dodge vs Ford Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:49:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C612FA.5C243AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C612FA.5C243AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, I'm hearing you - it's my belief that someone on this discussion group = is involved, but the last time I spoke to Butch, I didn't really get a = response. George=20 The question is George, will Butch ever get away so it can be tested? = Will it forever gather dust somewhere? I want to start manucfacturing = some parts for rotary aircraft for sale. That way when I'm ready they = will be available. Bill Jepson=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: george lendich To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:35:11 +1000 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dodge vs Ford Bill, Butch has done just that but it's still in the testing mode! George ( down under) George, Mistral's PSRU is a custom made gearset. Which can be done of = course, it's just hard to justify the expense unless you sell many of = them! A very nice looking job BTW though expensive. Some one needs to = design a new lower cost (electric CS) prop. Other wise the Mistral unit = looks good for the 10 despite it's high initial cost.=20 Bill Jepson =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: george lendich To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:18:16 +1000 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dodge vs Ford Ken, Good info - keep it coming! Now just find me an overdrive, straight cut gears (NEW) with a 2.5:1 = ratio, steel planet with gears running on needle bearings, with a RH = Turning prop.=20 That shouldn't be too hard - I'm seriously looking to have one made! = I wonder where Mistral gets theirs from? George ( down under) Here is is an email that was sent to me to forward to you all = from a friend of mine that talked me out of building a C-6 based 3.17 = ratio gearbox and talked me into using the 3.21 Dodge gears. He is not on this list but you may have heard of him as he is on = the rotary roster as he is building a Coot with a rotary and he is using = one of my 2.95 belt drives and he should be flying it this summer. He thinks I am nuts going away from the belt drive that I have = put 900 trouble free hrs on and says he will stick with the belt even = though works on transmissions for a living. Ken Welter Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Arnold Subject: Re: Fwd Re: [FlyRotary]Soapbox Warning! PSRU Ratios X-Originating-IP: [66.218.79.59] To: Ken Welter One thing I can tell you is that in the last 15 plus years that = I have dealt with planetaries, I still see Ford sun gears coming apart = in 80% of units I take apart and I have yet to find a bad Dodge sun gear = with the exception on total planet meltdown due to a plugged trans = cooler. I am not an engineer, just an observer and a very qualified = transmission expert. Another thing I can tell you is that it was not the amount of = pinion gears that were put into the Ford planets that made it better, it = was the change from aluminum to steel to keep the splines from stripping = out. Also, the Ford planets are only being used (loaded) during up = shifts and the Dodge planet set in question is being used during the = long period of time the truck is towing the trailer down the highway in = overdrive. Good luck with your ratio debate and I hope this info is of = help. Arnold Norton ASE certified American Transmissions ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C612FA.5C243AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
I'm hearing you - it's my belief = that someone=20 on this discussion group is involved, but the last time I spoke to = Butch, I=20 didn't really get a response.
George 
The question is George, will Butch ever get away so it can=20 be tested? Will it forever gather dust somewhere? I want to start = manucfacturing some parts for rotary aircraft for sale. That way when = I'm=20 ready they will be available.
Bill Jepson 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 george lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Fri, 6=20 Jan 2006 10:35:11 +1000
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dodge vs = Ford

 Bill,
 Butch has done just that but = it's still in=20 the testing mode!
George ( down under)
George,
Mistral's PSRU is a custom made gearset. Which can be done of = course,=20 it's just hard to justify the expense unless you sell many of them! = A very=20 nice looking job BTW though expensive. Some one needs to design = a new=20 lower cost (electric CS) prop. Other wise the Mistral unit looks = good for=20 the 10 despite it's high initial cost.
Bill Jepson  
 
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: george lendich = <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri,=20 6 Jan 2006 09:18:16 +1000
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Dodge vs = Ford

Ken,
Good info - keep it = coming!
Now just find me an overdrive, = straight cut=20 gears (NEW) with a 2.5:1 ratio, steel planet with  gears = running on=20 needle bearings, with a RH Turning prop. 
That shouldn't be too hard - I'm = seriously=20 looking to have one made! 
I wonder where Mistral gets theirs=20 from?
George ( down under)
   Here is is an email that = was sent to=20 me to forward to you all from a friend of mine that talked me out = of=20 building a C-6 based 3.17 ratio gearbox and talked me into using = the 3.21=20 Dodge gears.
  He is not on this list but you = may have=20 heard of him as he is on the rotary roster as he is building a = Coot with a=20 rotary and he is using one of my 2.95 belt drives and he should be = flying=20 it this summer.
  He thinks I am nuts going away = from the=20 belt drive that I have put 900 trouble free hrs on and says he = will stick=20 with the belt even though works on transmissions for a=20 living.
 
  Ken Welter







Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 = 06:47:42 -0800=20 (PST)
From: Arnold <vwsandndirt@yahoo.com>
Subject: = Re: Fwd=20 Re: [FlyRotary]Soapbox Warning!   PSRU=20 Ratios
X-Originating-IP: [66.218.79.59]
To: Ken Welter=20 <rotary.coot@verizon.net>
One thing I can tell = you is=20 that in the last 15 plus years that I have dealt with = planetaries,=20 I still see Ford sun gears coming apart in 80% of units I take = apart and=20 I have yet to find a bad Dodge sun gear with the exception on = total=20 planet meltdown due to a plugged trans cooler.  I am not an = engineer, just an observer and a very qualified transmission=20 expert.
 
Another thing I can tell you = is that it=20 was not the amount of pinion gears that were put into the Ford = planets=20 that made it better, it was the change from aluminum to steel to = keep=20 the splines from stripping out.  Also, the Ford planets are = only=20 being used (loaded) during up shifts and the Dodge planet set in = question is being used during the long period of time the truck = is=20 towing the trailer down the highway in overdrive.
 
Good luck with your ratio = debate and I=20 hope this info is of help.
 
Arnold = Norton    ASE=20 certified
American=20 = Transmissions
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