X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.3) with ESMTP id 866081 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:57:10 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.1; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id q.219.e9051c9 (15700) for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M14 (fwm-m14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.78]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108.32) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d5443962317285; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:47:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:47:35 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7C8D69179AEAB-1044-2AF43@FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com> From: wrjjrs@aol.com References: Received: from 66.127.99.234 by FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:47:35 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Fire Photo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C7C8D68F5C79C0_1044_28EB8_FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.78 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MailBlocks_8C7C8D68F5C79C0_1044_28EB8_FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I would be careful with ATF. The high detergent level may or may not be comp= atable with seals. Why not use a fluid DESIGNED for the task. The only possi= ble benefit is availability anywhere. The thing is if you are sure your seal= s are ok with automotive fluid it is available anywhere. Dot 5 is a good com= promise for someone who wants a more widely compatable fluid. It is also goo= d with paint. I would also be skeptical about the non-compressibility issue. Bill Jepson=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mark R Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:07:43 -0600 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Fire Photo Has anyone heard of using Mobil 1 ATF in their brake system? A CFI and very= experienced RV-8 owner told me that he has been using Mobil 1 ATF in his RV= -8 for years because, 1) its very high flash point, 2) it doesn't attract mo= isture, 3) is non-compressible, 4) is compatible with the seals, and 5) does= n't harm the paint. I was wondering if anyone on the list has used Mobil 1=20= ATF? If so, what are your experiences? =20 Mark S. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beha= lf Of wrjjrs@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:59 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Fire Photo =20 The thing to take from Ed's brake problem is to trust your judgment on some=20= things. There was no problem with his rotary engine here, rather a so called= , "Tried and true" standard part was what failed. I understand why many peop= le will follow plans to the letter and I don't argue with that. The fact is=20= that we often accept certified parts as gospel. My advise to the group is th= at if something seems shaky, (like 200=B0F flash point brake fluid), it is p= robably a holdover from early flying days. investigate if it might be improv= ed! I WILL NOT USE OLD STYLE BRAKE FLUID IN MY AIRCRAFT. I plan to use a rac= ing quality brake fluid. If it is necessary I'll change the seals. Bill Jepson =20 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Perkinson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:10:23 -0600 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Fire Photo Boy Ed, all the excitement you have had kind of makes me wonder why I am bui= lding and experimental airplane}:>) I am not sure I can handle that much ex= citement, but I guess I will try. My-9 fuselage is in Chicago today, sand s= hould be in Nashville Friday, Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes =20 ----------MailBlocks_8C7C8D68F5C79C0_1044_28EB8_FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
I would be careful with ATF. The high detergent level may or may not be= compatable with seals. Why not use a fluid DESIGNED for the task. The=20= only possible benefit is availability anywhere. The thing is if you are sure= your seals are ok with automotive fluid it is available anywhere. Dot 5 is=20= a good compromise for someone who wants a more widely compatable fluid. It i= s also good with paint. I would also be skeptical about the non-compressibil= ity issue.
Bill Jepson 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ma= rk R Steitle <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
To: Rotary motors in=20= aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:07:= 43 -0600
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Fire Photo

Has anyone heard of us= ing Mobil 1 ATF in their brake system?  A CFI and very experienced RV-8= owner told me that he has been using Mobil 1 ATF in his RV-8 for years beca= use, 1) its very high flash point, 2) it doesn't attract moisture, 3) is non= -compressible, 4) is compatible with the seals, and 5) doesn't harm the pain= t.  I was wondering if anyone on the list has used Mobil 1 ATF?  I= f so, what are your experiences?
 
Mark S.
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005=20= 1:59 PM
To: Rotary motors= in aircraft
Subject: [Fl= yRotary] Re: Brake Fire Photo
 
The thing to take from Ed's brake problem is to trust your judgment on some things. There w= as no problem with his rotary engine here, rather a so called, "Tried a= nd true" standard part was what failed. I understand why many people wi= ll follow plans to the letter and I don't argue with that. The fact is that=20= we often accept certified parts as gospel. My advise to the group is that if= something seems shaky, (like 200=B0F flash point brake fluid), it is probab= ly a holdover from early flying days. investigate if it might be improved! I= WILL NOT USE OLD STYLE BRAKE FLUID IN MY AIRCRAFT. I plan to use a racing q= uality brake fluid. If it is necessar= y I'll change the seals.
Bill J= epson
 
-----= Original Message-----
From: Bob Pe= rkinson <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:10:23 -0600
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Fire Photo
Boy Ed, all the excitement you have had kind=20= of makes me wonder why I am building and experimental airplane}:>) =20= I am not sure I can handle that much excitement, but I guess I will try.&nbs= p;My-9  fuselage is in Chicago today, sand should be in Nash= ville Friday,
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
<= SPAN class=3Dcorrection>RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
No= thing changes
 
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