Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #28193
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's Brakes...
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:06:01 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Mark,
 
Yes, when I had my hard landing back in February on hard surface and it became apparent it was going to be VERY hard, all I had time to do was suck the stick back into my belly as far as it would go.  It flashed through my mind in that brief second to keep the nose gear from tucking under - so I  Kept the nose gear (and my expensive new prop) high in the air when I hit. In fact, on the second (high) bounce the rudder fairing contacted the tarmac.
 
End result was the main gear took the damaging loads and no damage to nose gear nor Prop.  So while  the training wheel up front has some considerable benefits (I was able to get on the binders hard enough to leave rubber for 300 ft during my aborted take off), there is the draw back- in  that you don't want to hit on it hard enough to cause it to tuck.  A depression in a grass runway ditto.   And anytime operating on anything other than a hard  surface you have to be aware of the potential hazards of holes as mentioned by several.  Applies to tail draggers and nose wheel types as far as that goes.
 
Another thing I did was back in 1998 when Van offered a beefier nose gear due to a few RV-6A nose gear failures, was to replace the old gear and  add stiffeners to the nose gear as well as the main gear. When first landing with the beefier nose gear, I had the sensation that the nose wheel was "tucking" and adding the stiffener eliminated that. 
 
When I examined the damage to the main gear, the fiberglass reinforced wood strips used as stiffeners were broke - but, they may have been the margin that kept worst from happening. I had expected to see the impressions of the top of my wheel pants in the underside of the wings {:>)
 
 
However, I acknowledge that Van now says the stiffeners are no longer necessary  - but I like them.  Your mileage may vary
 
Ed A
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's Brakes...

There was a similar 6A landing accident here in central Texas just a few weeks ago with a worse outcome.  When the nose wheel sank into some soft soil, the nut on the front caught, bending the nose gear back, flipping the airplane onto its back.  Needless to say, there wasn’t much left that was airworthy.    

 

Mark S.

Lancair ES (large nosewheel)


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of DLOMHEIM@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:30 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Ed's Brakes...

 

Ed wrote:

 

> "But, with a training wheel up front, you can reallllllyyyyy get on the binders hard without worry".

 

Not wishing in anyway to "nit pick" the above statement but simply wanting RVers with "A" models to remember that getting onto the binders too hard on grass could end up ruining your day.  About two years ago a local pilot landed his 8A on a grass strip with some dips in it.  He possibly was a bit too hot and also long with the result that he really got onto the "binders" which then caused the nose to squat down.  Simultaneously to this the nose wheel encountered a shallow depression resulting in the nose gear bending back and prop striking the soft ground.  Needles to say his flying ended for a next few days until he ordered in a new front gear leg, repaired his front wheel fairing, and installed a new prop.

 

Doug Lomheim

RV-9A, finishing kit   

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