X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.3) with SMTP id 862422 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:55:56 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.200.81; envelope-from=prvt_pilot@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88812 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2005 02:55:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RZJMa4bERR86/vsU6/0yyrf4NP3bpx67a14SAuGJ7k0zeBNNfMdS1KUyrt4SPTmqrjfRKq3efbYZsyQ1mpszwd8W1G/EF405rKVCutUFa7fbFXPry4uziLJba5fD2gY8qcxLTdpNkDfCfXn/iN+OP0DpALeiyx/XN3/PnwsHNUM= ; Message-ID: <20051204025512.88810.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.135.33.54] by web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:55:12 PST Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:55:12 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Brooks Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intersting flight To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit William, I actually have such a switch. It works independent of even having the master switch on. It didn't occur to me to activate it, but it happened pretty fast. I had identified a place to ;and, and had just started surveying recovery options when the power came back. I hope that I would have remembered the emergency bypass switch, but I'm not sure. I'll be creating an emergency checklist to keep in the plane should the need ever arise. I hope it never does. Steve --- William wrote: > Steve, > Congratulations on the successful outcome -- your > experience fits right into > what "Sport-Air" states in their flight testing > course, namely that the most > common problem on experimental aircraft in flight > test mode is engine > failure. > > Can you arrange two paths for electrical to the > "engine bus", one for normal > use, and the other coming from second battery via a > separate switch? > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser # 4045 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Brooks" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:35 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intersting flight > > > > Hi Al, > > You make an excellent point on the single failure > > point. I've been trying to come up with a way to > > eliminate the problem, but outside of going to 2 > > switches, I'm not sure how to do it. Even with 2 > > switches the one for the engine is still a single > > failure point for the engine. > > > > The emergency checklist is also a good idea. I'm > > going to check today, I think that I already have > one > > with my preflight checklist. A placard for engine > out > > is probably better though, rather than trying to > find > > a paper copy during an emergency. > > > > Steve > > > > --- Al Gietzen wrote: > > > >> What a relief the find that the power came back > on; > >> and that you landed > >> without mishap. My adrenalin level was going up > when > >> I got to the part of > >> your story where you were heading for the > highway. > >> > >> > >> > >> I see two important lessons in your experience; > >> > >> Redundancy in the system isn't much good if there > is > >> still a single point > >> failure. > >> > >> Have an emergency checklist that is well > memorized, > >> but kept handy. > >> > >> > >> > >> Glad everything is OK, > >> > >> > >> > >> Al > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > >> Behalf Of Steve Brooks > >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:29 AM > >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Intersting flight > >> > >> > >> > >> I made it down to South Carolina, to among other > >> > >> things, fly the Cozy. It had been 2 months to > the > >> day > >> > >> since I had been down, so the remaining 8 hours > of > >> the > >> > >> 40 test hours have been slow to come off. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thursday I washed about 30 lbs of dust off of > the > >> > >> plane (open T hanger) and checked everything out. > I > >> > >> did a high speed run down the runway, but didn't > >> have > >> > >> time to get in a flight. > >> > >> > >> > >> Yesterday I went to the airport after it warmed > up a > >> > >> few degrees, and took off. The engine was > running > >> > >> very strong in the cooler air (54 degrees). I > had > >> > >> planned to do about a 30 minute flight ad land, > just > >> > >> to check everything out, and was was doing turns > and > >> > >> just cruising around about 6-7 miles from the > >> airport > >> > >> at about 2900 MSL (2300 AGL). While flying > straight > >> > >> and level, I felt a sudden miss in engine. When > I > >> > >> check the I/P, I also noticed that the digital > >> gauges, > >> > >> fuel and oil, had rebooted. I immediately > started a > >> > >> turn toward the airport. > >> > >> > >> > >> About 15 seconds later, I lost total electric. > The > >> > >> I/P went dead, and so did the engine. This isn't > >> > >> good, I thought. Actually, it was more like, OH > >> SH**. > >> > >> I took a look at the airport, and I was too far > to > >> > >> make it there, so I looked around, and a 4 lane > >> > >> highway, which has light traffic appeared to be > my > >> > >> best option. I had just started turning toward > that > >> > >> highway, when the electric power came back, and > the > >> > >> engine picked back up. > >> > >> > >> > >> I immediately started a climb, and headed toward > the > >> > >> airport again. I already knew that there was a > >> plane > >> > >> in the pattern doing touch and goes (unicom > field), > >> so > >> > >> I called the airport and advised the other > aircraft > >> > >> that I had a serious issue, and needed to make a > >> > >> straight in landing. > >> > >> > >> > >> It didn't lose power again, on the trip back to > the > >> > >> airport, but that 6-7 miles seemed to take > forever. > >> I > >> > === message truncated ===