X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.223] (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c5) with ESMTP id 774367 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:26:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.223; envelope-from=haywire@telus.net Received: from Endurance ([154.20.245.217]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051020072520.XPJT15840.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@Endurance> for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:25:20 -0600 From: "Todd Bartrim" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: Re: Aeroquip AQP Socketless racing hose question Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c5d547$af394ed0$0101a8c0@Endurance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5D50D.02E09150" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5D50D.02E09150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael; I use this hose at work and on my airplane. At work it is used mostly for instrument air supply but in some very harsh environments, where the bad stuff is on the outside of the hose, but occasionally it is also used for transfer of chemical applications. The blue stuff is made by several manufactures. Parker under the Trade name "PUSH-LOK", part #836. This is the stuff I use extensively at work. Goodyear also makes it under the name "Insta-Grip". We had one batch of this at work, and while I've not had any problems with any of it, it also didn't "feel" as hi quality so they've gone back to ordering the Parker stuff. This hose is tough stuff. Sometimes I'll still bend SS tube if I want to make an installation look pretty, but there really is no other advantage to use SS tube over the hose, and hose is much faster and easier to install. This hose should not be used with metal hose clamps as when tightened the clamp can cut into the fibre that tightens onto the fitting with pressure. I don't know anything about the heat shrink clamps, but they may be a good solution to satisfy the inspector. My inspector also wanted to see the hose clamped as he couldn't understand how it could possibly stay on without a clamp, but he accepted a double wrap of safety wire. This would likely have been quite detrimental to the hose, except that none of them were tight, but they looked good and the inspector was happy. There is a tool for inserting the fittings into the hose but it can be done by hand with allot of effort. I try to avoid this as it is difficult to get the fitting fully seated and there is temptation to use grease. I only use a little spit to lube inside the hose to ease installation. The installation tool is a simple affair with a clamp to hold the hose securely and a hand lever operated ram to push the fitting into the hose end. We previously had an older model of this tool at work but a while back the company bought several much improved new models, so the old one, while inferior, has found a place in my airplane tool box. I made the decision to use this use for several reasons. One is that I'm already familiar with it and trust it, another is probably pretty obvious as well... It's FREE! But the other is a comment that Ed Anderson made along time ago while I was still building, regarding all of his fancy stainless braided line. The cost associated with that installation makes him reluctant to change the hose unless there is evidence of impending failure. Not sure if he still feels that way, but it makes sense to me, so I use it for all my FWF fuel and oil lines and the turbo coolant line. All other coolant lines are 1 1/4" so I had to buck up a few $$ for automotive rad hose. Anytime I have a piece of the engine apart that has a blue hose associated with it, if it has been on for awhile, I replace it. At my first annual I cut off all of the blue hose and replaced it. The old hose was slightly stiffer, but still perfectly acceptable. I didn't replace it at this last annual simply because I've not had the time to fly it enough to warrant it. Todd Bartrim RV9Endurance 13B Turbo Rotary C-FSTB http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard work and determination to the things they do." How many of you racers and mechanics, shade tree or pro, have used AQP Socketless hose for fuel/oil/coolant lines? What do you think of this stuff for airplanes? If you are talking about the blue stuff, it is all I use. I have a mile of it in the race car. It is Kevlar reinforced. It is also the lightest system available. You can twist an end fitting after assembly to improve an installation, and it won't leak. You cannot remove an end fitting without cutting the hose off. The fittings are 100% reusable. Lynn E. 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Hi Michael;
    I use this hose = at work=20 and on my airplane. At work it is used mostly for instrument air supply = but in=20 some very harsh environments, where the bad stuff is on the outside of = the hose,=20 but occasionally it is also used for transfer of chemical=20 applications.
The blue stuff is made by several=20 manufactures. Parker under the Trade name "PUSH-LOK", part #836. = This is=20 the stuff I use extensively at work. Goodyear also makes it under the = name=20 "Insta-Grip". We had one batch of this at work, and while I've not had = any=20 problems with any of it, it also didn't "feel" as hi quality so they've = gone=20 back to ordering the Parker stuff.
    This hose is = tough stuff.=20 Sometimes I'll still bend SS tube if I want to make an installation look = pretty,=20 but there really is no other advantage to use SS tube over the hose, and = hose is=20 much faster and easier to install.
    This hose = should not be=20 used with metal hose clamps as when tightened the clamp can cut into the = fibre=20 that tightens onto the fitting with pressure. I don't know anything = about the=20 heat shrink clamps, but they may be a good solution to satisfy the = inspector. My=20 inspector also wanted to see the hose clamped as he couldn't understand = how it=20 could possibly stay on without a clamp, but he accepted a double wrap=20 of safety wire. This would likely have been quite detrimental to = the hose,=20 except that none of them were tight, but they looked good and the = inspector was=20 happy.
    There is a tool = for=20 inserting the fittings into the hose but it can be done by hand with = allot of=20 effort. I try to avoid this as it is difficult to get the fitting fully = seated=20 and there is temptation to use grease. I only use a little spit to lube = inside=20 the hose to ease installation. The installation tool is a simple affair = with a=20 clamp to hold the hose securely and a hand lever operated ram to push = the=20 fitting into the hose end. We previously had an older model of this tool = at work=20 but a while back the company bought several much improved new models, so = the old=20 one, while inferior, has found a place in my airplane tool = box.
    I made the = decision to=20 use this use for several reasons. One is that I'm already familiar with = it and=20 trust it, another is probably pretty obvious as well... It's FREE! But = the other=20 is a comment that Ed Anderson made along time ago while I was still = building,=20 regarding all of his fancy stainless braided line. The cost associated = with that=20 installation makes him reluctant to change the hose unless there is = evidence of=20 impending failure. Not sure if he still feels that way, but it makes = sense to=20 me, so I use it for all my FWF fuel and oil lines and the turbo coolant = line.=20 All other coolant lines are 1 1/4" so I had to buck up a few $$ for = automotive=20 rad hose. Anytime I have a piece of the engine apart that has a blue = hose=20 associated with it, if it has been on for awhile, I replace it. At my = first=20 annual I cut off all of the blue hose and replaced it. The old hose was = slightly=20 stiffer, but still perfectly acceptable. I didn't replace it at this = last annual=20 simply because I've not had the time to fly it enough to warrant=20 it.
 
Todd Bartrim
 
RV9Endurance
13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.= net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
 
          &nbs= p; =20 "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard work and=20 determination to the things they do."
 
How many of you = racers and=20 mechanics, shade tree or pro, have used
AQP Socketless hose for=20 fuel/oil/coolant lines?  What do you think of
this stuff = for=20 airplanes?
If you are talking about the blue stuff, it is all I use. I have = a mile=20 of it in the race car.
It is Kevlar reinforced.
 
 
It is also the lightest system available. You can twist an end = fitting=20 after assembly to improve an installation, and it won't leak. You = cannot=20 remove an end fitting without cutting the hose off. The fittings are = 100%=20 reusable.
 
 
Lynn E. Hanover 
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