X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c5) with ESMTP id 773635 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:04:47 -0400 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.148; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Oct 2005 11:03:02 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,231,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="13491522:sNHT22480008" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j9JI2d2J000122 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:02:55 -0400 Received: from [64.102.45.251] ([64.102.45.251]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:02:55 -0400 Message-ID: <43568A4C.2000308@nc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:02:52 -0400 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: NACA scoops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 18:02:55.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[54D9BC60:01C5D4D7] Ed Anderson wrote: > Hi Thomas, afraid not exactly an old wives tale. Here is an extract > from an old NACA report that appears to take the position that > submerged (NACA?) ducts are not the best suited for radiators or > anything requiring much diffusion or pressure recovery. Ed, I took my lunch break to read the 5I20 report. What FUN!! I think we're tripping over semantics here. There is a subtle difference between "supplying air to a radiator" and "using a NACA inlet for pressure recovery." The subtlety is the root of the argument. Just because it isn't good a pressure recovery doesn't mean that it will make a bad cooling inlet. It only means that you will have to do some pressure recovery in some other way, like a streamlined duct. "We don't THINK it will work for radiators, because there isn't enough pressure recovery" IS a long way from "it can't supply air to a radiator and you shouldn't waste your time trying ***because the inventors said so***". I'm only objecting to the very last clause. The authors might fully agree that a submerged inlet is a perfect compliment to a streamlined duct. The submerged inlet collects air in a low drag manner which it does well, and the streamline duct is responsible for pressure recovery which IT does well. But we don't know that, 'cause they don't make any attempt to speak to it. I think it would be appropriate to assert that the authors would agree with the statement that sticking a radiator against the back end of a NACA inlet is only marginally better for cooling than hanging it out the bottom of the fuselage. Having said all that, Thomas' original statement is spot-on. The report authors did indeed recommend against using the NACA inlet as a pressure-recovery device. Jim, the report Ed and I are discussing has a section on drag. As I read it, they didn't bother with a drag study because it is so low with a submerged inlet. All the losses due to drag end up as pressure where it's needed. If those NACA guys are to be believed, even though the downdraft scoop was half the size, it will still have more drag. Half of somethin' will always be greater than nothin' 8*) -- ,|"|"|, | ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta | o| d |o www.ernest.isa-geek.org |