Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #26982
From: Monty Roberts <montyr2157@alltel.net>
Subject: flyrotary "Banishment"
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:06:17 -0500
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Oh well, I don't really care why it happened. I figured it was only a matter of time anyway.
 
It really doesn't matter in practice what the equivalent displacement is. Power to weight, bsfc, and TBO are the only really important numbers. If you choose the magic displacement hypothesis you can still develop a fuel curve for the engine. The key is a 2 cycle and a 4 cycle engine are both Otto cycles thermodynamically. Using immaculate ingestion, the 2 cycle should have a volumetric efficiency near 200%. We all know this is not the case. The Wankel is also an Otto cycle engine thermodynamically. Each rotor is capable of simultaneously processing 3 separate charges in various states of induction, compression, expansion, or ignition. Concentrating on the single chamber in isolation ignores this fact. To calculate VE you have to look at the "packets" of charge being processed, regardless of what the E shaft is doing. What it could theoretically do vs what it does in actuality is the true VE.  
 
Relative displacement is only important if you are trying to quantify the relative merits of the engine VS other forms of engine hardware. Obviously the Wankel has many mechanical merits, it just doesn't change the laws of thermodynamics. Mazda has numerous reasons to portray this in the most favorable light, both for marketing and taxation reasons. Apparently some of the true believer rotary extremists don't want this Mazda 1.3L wink and nod displacement questioned because it removes some of the specialness from their chosen brand of internal combustion religion. All of this is thankfully lost on pointy headed taxation bureaucrats and marketing weenies.
 
I viewed the "argument" as a discussion and was merely striving for clarity and correctnes of thought here. It does no good to perpetuate a false understanding of something.
 
Monty
 
 
 
Imaculate ingestion! I like that. I don't know though. I keep
telling him it's a 3.9L engine and haven't been banished yet. I will
say that I think the discussions (or arguments) have clarified my
understanding of how the Wankle works. I haven't though about the 120%
VE at all. If measured properly, it shouldn't make any difference what
you think the displacement is.

Bob W.

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