X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.4.51.85] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c4) with ESMTP id 765691 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:24:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.4.51.85; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:23:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 4.174.7.109 by BAY107-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:23:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.174.7.109] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flooding on startup.... Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C5D183.419A7650" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:23:32 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2005 16:23:37.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB994B30:01C5D1A4] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C5D183.419A7650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had another thought on your flooding problems Buly. In the "back = feed mode" where the injectors are on but the EC2 is off (this should = not happen if the EC2 operating instructions are followed) and If you = have some significant load on your 12 line to the EC2 (you should not) = that load will look like a path to ground for the injectors AND TURN = THEM ON if the load is high enough.=20 If you followed that complex sentence, you will immediately eliminate = all these 'should nots' from your electrical system. It sounds like the = EM2 is one example of something you have on that bus that should not be = there. Tracy=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: atlasyts@bellsouth.net=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Flooding on startup.... Thank you Ed and Steve. Looks like my understanding of the f. = injection is right. I checked the spark and I'm getting very good spark = at the spark plugs, but again they get dripping wet right away, even = with secondarys turned off? I'm not using the "cold start" feature. I restored the factory settings on the EC2. Maybe I'll start reducing = the injector flow in mode3? Buly >=20 > From: "Steve Brooks" = > > Date: 2005/10/15 Sat AM 06:06:10 EDT > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Flooding on startup.... >=20 > Buly, > I believe that you are right about the EC-2 providing an = intermittent ground > to pulse the injector. With that said, when the injector isn't = being turned > on, you would see the 12 V on both leads of the injector. The = supply side > is obviously 12 V and also on the other because the injector has a = fairly > low resistance, and the EC-2 lead is not pulling it to ground = (open). >=20 > I hope that makes some sense. >=20 > Maybe someone else can explain it better. >=20 > Steve Brooks >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On > Behalf Of atlasyts@bellsouth.net > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:55 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Flooding on startup.... >=20 >=20 > Tonight I spent some time checking around the engine. With both inj. > switches on, I have 12V on all the wires going to the injectors? As = far as I > know, there is one 12V feed from the switch to each P/S injectors = and one > wire for each injector comming from the EC2 providing intermitten = ground. If > I'm right, how come there is the same voltage on all the wires? > Buly >=20 > BTW few months ago the engine was running perfect? I have no idea = what > caused all this trouble? >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ >=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C5D183.419A7650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just had another thought on your flooding problems Buly.  In = the "back=20 feed mode" where the injectors are on but the EC2 is off (this should=20 not happen if the EC2 operating instructions are=20 followed) and If you have some significant load on = your 12=20 line to the EC2 (you should not) that load will look like a path to = ground for=20 the injectors AND TURN THEM ON if the load is high=20 enough. 
 
If you followed that complex sentence, you will immediately = eliminate all=20 these 'should nots' from your electrical system.  It sounds like = the EM2 is=20 one example of something you have on that bus that should not be = there.
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: atlasyts@bellsouth.net =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Saturday, October 15, = 2005 8:09=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Flooding on=20 startup....

Thank you Ed and Steve. Looks like my understanding of = the f.=20 injection is right. I checked the spark and I'm getting very good = spark at the=20 spark plugs, but again they get dripping wet right away, even with = secondarys=20 turned off? I'm not using the "cold start" feature.
I restored the = factory=20 settings on the EC2. Maybe I'll start reducing the injector flow in=20 mode3?
Buly
>
> From: "Steve Brooks" <prvt_pilot@yahoo.com>
>= Date:=20 2005/10/15 Sat AM 06:06:10 EDT
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Flooding on startup....
>
>=20 Buly,
> I believe that you are right about the EC-2 providing an = intermittent ground
> to pulse the injector.  With that = said, when=20 the injector isn't being turned
> on, you would see the 12 V on = both=20 leads of the injector.  The supply side
> is obviously 12 V = and=20 also on the other because the injector has a fairly
> low = resistance,=20 and the EC-2 lead is not pulling it to ground (open).
>
> = I hope=20 that makes some sense.
>
> Maybe someone else can explain = it=20 better.
>
> Steve Brooks
>
>
> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On
> Behalf Of atlasyts@bellsouth.net
>= Sent:=20 Friday, October 14, 2005 11:55 PM
> To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Flooding on startup....
> =
>=20
> Tonight I spent some time checking around the engine. With = both=20 inj.
> switches on, I have 12V on all the wires going to the = injectors?=20 As far as I
> know, there is one 12V feed from the switch to = each P/S=20 injectors and one
> wire for each injector comming from the EC2=20 providing intermitten ground. If
> I'm right, how come there is = the same=20 voltage on all the wires?
> Buly
>
> BTW few months = ago the=20 engine was running perfect? I have no idea what
> caused all = this=20 trouble?
>
>
> --
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>=20
>
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