X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.76.49] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 719890 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:59:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.240.76.49; envelope-from=kenpowell@comcast.net Received: from 204.127.205.171 ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005091301582001400eq066e>; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:58:25 +0000 Received: from [68.47.134.178] by 204.127.205.171; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:58:19 +0000 From: kenpowell@comcast.net To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition Coil Connectors Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:58:19 +0000 Message-Id: <091320050158.23414.4326323B0001278C00005B76220076369204040A99019F020A05@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VucG93ZWxsQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23414_1126576699_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23414_1126576699_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Guys, I was originally going to go with the truck coils but got a deal on the Vette coils and harness. So, I have the wiring harness (actually, 1/2 a harness) which conists of 4 coil connectors attached to the wiring harness and the big connector for the entire harness. This harness came off a '00 Silverado with the 5.3 V8 and should fit all coils off the 4.8, 5.3, and 6.0 V8's. The connectors are grey with a light blue insulator bellows; the wires disappear into an orange piece on the back of the connector and the connecotor is 17.7MM across the plug where it plugs into the coil. I beleive that this fits the D581 coils but can't be sure since I never actually bought the coils. Asking $35.00 + shipping. If it doesn't fit your coils I'll return your money. Ken Powell Bryant, Arkansas 501-847-4721 C150 / RV-4 under construction -------------- Original message -------------- > > I've been trying George, but so far I haven't gotten any information on > what connector might fit. The D581 is smaller, from the photos it > looks like it mounts to a flat surface, and it costs less. The only > advantage I see to the D580 is I know what connector fits. :) > > I did find the following information from a Google search. On June 13, > 2004, Mark told Ed A. that the connector he was using with his D581 > coils was GM p/n 12126487 or AC/Delco PT757, but it needed to be > modified slightly to work. GM Parts Direct wants $21 for the > connector. Unless we can figure out what connector that is, it makes > the total cost for the D581 coil and connector about $46, and for the > D580 $36. -- Thanks Mark > > Bob W. > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:52:22 +1000 > "George Lendich" wrote: > > > Thanks Bob, I needed that information. > > I would prefer the coil D581 truck type, could you advise if you can source > > the connectors please. > > George > > > > > Hi George, > > > > > > The LS-1 coil has internal electronics so that it only needs a logic > > > signal to trigger it. It's also called an igniter. All 4 leads are > > > used. > > > > > > Signal GND (EC2) > > > Engine GND > > > 12 V > > > Trigger > > > > > > Bob W. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:23:44 +1000 > > > "George Lendich" wrote: > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > Good suggestions, never thought of that. > > > > I went to a auto supply specialist the other day and he told me that the > > wiring is only + ve and - ve ( two wires) and in fact some coils ( in > > Australia) have non-plug type connections ( thread and lock nut). > > > > Does Tracy use the LS 1 coils for any particular reason i.e.because > > there much lighter or something like that. I'm led to believe they are very > > reliable and they don't stock them because there is little to no demand for > > non-genuine replacement - so that's good info. They are found in the GM V8 > > here in Australia but the cost is about $150 from GMH ( your GMC) > > > > > > > > Also can someone explain the wiring of the injectors, I didn't ask about > > that. > > > > George ( down under) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Mark R Steitle > > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:30 PM > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition Coil Connectors > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe & Dale, > > > > > > > > Just a bit of caution here. I'm using the D581 (Chevy pickkup > > version) coils. I ordered what looked to be the correct connectors, only to > > find out that they had an indexing lug that prevented them from mating with > > the coils. I trimmed the indexing lug off and used them anyway as there is > > a lock that prevents them from being inserted 180* out. Just be sure you > > check it very carefully. Connectors cost as much as the coils. Go figure! > > You can always do what Tracy did and solder wires to the pins on the coils, > > then pot the plug hole. Then use one large connector on the whole bundle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > > On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer > > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:40 AM > > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition Coil Connectors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Dale, > > > > > > > > Correct numbers are D580 and D581........Electrically the > > same.......D581 is slightly > > > > > > > > smaller and has plug and elect. connector opposite ends.......D580 has > > both plug and > > > > > > > > elect. connector on same end.........Bob White is trying to source > > connectors for the > > > > > > > > D581.......He has connectors for D580 now........ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kelly Troyer > > > > Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message from Dale Rogers > > : -------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > > > Why did you choose the D851? I thought that the "standard" > > > > > was the D580 (AKA: GM # 12558948). > > > > > > > > > > Dale R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Joe Ewen > > > > > > Date: 2005/09/11 Sun PM 10:43:17 EDT > > > > > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Ignition Coil Connectors > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know a source and or part number on connectors that > > will fit the > > > > > Delco D851 coils. I tried the Waytek parts called out on the Wiki, > > but they do > > > > > not fit the D851. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.bob-white.com > > > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (real soon) > > > Prewired EC2 Cables - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ > > > > > > -- > > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ > > > > > > > -- > http://www.bob-white.com > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (real soon) > Prewired EC2 Cables - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23414_1126576699_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Guys,
I was originally going to go with the truck coils but got a deal on the Vette coils and harness.  So, I have the wiring harness (actually, 1/2 a harness) which conists of 4 coil connectors attached to the wiring harness and the big connector for the entire harness.  This harness came off a '00 Silverado with the 5.3 V8 and should fit all coils off the 4.8, 5.3, and 6.0 V8's.  The connectors are grey with a light blue insulator bellows; the wires disappear into an orange piece on the back of the connector and the connecotor is 17.7MM across the plug where it plugs into the coil.  I beleive that this fits the D581 coils but can't be sure since I never actually bought the coils.  Asking $35.00 + shipping.  If it doesn't fit your coils I'll return your money.

Ken Powell
Bryant, Arkansas
501-847-4721
C150 / RV-4 under construction
 
-------------- Original message --------------

>
> I've been trying George, but so far I haven't gotten any information on
> what connector might fit. The D581 is smaller, from the photos it
> looks like it mounts to a flat surface, and it costs less. The only
> advantage I see to the D580 is I know what connector fits. :)
>
> I did find the following information from a Google search. On June 13,
> 2004, Mark told Ed A. that the connector he was using with his D581
> coils was GM p/n 12126487 or AC/Delco PT757, but it needed to be
> modified slightly to work. GM Parts Direct wants $21 for the
> connector. Unless we can figure out what connector that is, it makes
> the total cost for the D581 coil and connector about $46, and for the
> D580 $36. -- Thanks Mark
>
> Bob W.
>
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:52:22 +1000
> "George Lendich" wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bob, I needed that information.
> > I would prefer the coil D581 truck type, could you advise if you can source
> > the connectors please.
> > George
> >
> > > Hi George,
> > >
> > > The LS-1 coil has internal electronics so that it only needs a logic
> > > signal to trigger it. It's also called an igniter. All 4 leads are
> > > used.
> > >
> > > Signal GND (EC2)
> > > Engine GND
> > > 12 V
> > > Trigger
> > >
> > > Bob W.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:23:44 +1000
> > > "George Lendich" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > > Good suggestions, never thought of that.
> > > > I went to a auto supply specialist the other day and he told me that the
> > wiring is only + ve and - ve ( two wires) and in fact some coils ( in
> > Australia) have non-plug type connections ( thread and lock nut).
> > > > Does Tracy use the LS 1 coils for any particular reason i.e.because
> > there much lighter or something like that. I'm led to believe they are very
> > reliable and they don't stock them because there is little to no demand for
> > non-genuine replacement - so that's good info. They are found in the GM V8
> > here in Australia but the cost is about $150 from GMH ( your GMC)
> > > >
> > > > Also can someone explain the wiring of the injectors, I didn't ask about
> > that.
> > > > George ( down under)
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Mark R Steitle
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:30 PM
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition Coil Connectors
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joe & Dale,
> > > >
> > > > Just a bit of caution here. I'm using the D581 (Chevy pickkup
> > version) coils. I ordered what looked to be the correct connectors, only to
> > find out that they had an indexing lug that prevented them from mating with
> > the coils. I trimmed the indexing lug off and used them anyway as there is
> > a lock that prevents them from being inserted 180* out. Just be sure you
> > check it very carefully. Connectors cost as much as the coils. Go figure!
> > You can always do what Tracy did and solder wires to the pins on the coils,
> > then pot the plug hole. Then use one large connector on the whole bundle.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark S.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> > > >
> > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> > On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:40 AM
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition Coil Connectors
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joe and Dale,
> > > >
> > > > Correct numbers are D580 and D581........Electrically the
> > same.......D581 is slightly
> > > >
> > > > smaller and has plug and elect. connector opposite ends.......D580 has
> > both plug and
> > > >
> > > > elect. connector on same end.........Bob White is trying to source
> > connectors for the
> > > >
> > > > D581.......He has connectors for D580 now........
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kelly Troyer
> > > > Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message from Dale Rogers
> > : --------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > Why did you choose the D851? I thought that the "standard"
> > > > > was the D580 (AKA: GM # 12558948).
> > > > >
> > > > > Dale R.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Joe Ewen
> > > > > > Date: 2005/09/11 Sun PM 10:43:17 EDT
> > > > > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"
> > > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Ignition Coil Connectors
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know a source and or part number on connectors that
> > will fit the
> > > > > Delco D851 coils. I tried the Waytek parts called out on the Wiki,
> > but they do
> > > > > not fit the D851.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > > > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.bob-white.com
> > > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (real soon)
> > > Prewired EC2 Cables - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> http://www.bob-white.com
> N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (real soon)
> Prewired EC2 Cables - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
>
> --
> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/
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