X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.158] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTPS id 710533 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:12:59 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.133.158; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-70-215.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.70.215]) by mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j83MC9F3008071 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:12:12 +1000 Message-ID: <002101c5b0d4$caf2eb00$d746ecdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: "O" rings Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:14:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5B128.9BF0B9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5B128.9BF0B9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly, They are slightly wider - my information is that for performance engines = (read over 8,000 or 9,000 RPM, and upward of that) they skim the rotor = a thou each side to eliminate binding. However that's that necessary for = the rpm we are running, so they say.=20 It's not uncommon to skim the rotor apex areas on RX7 performance = engines as well due to the high torque flexing the e-shaft. I think Lynn's explanation seems the most reasonable to me, on why the = power improves with some running-in. My opinion FWIW George (down under) Tracy, It has been reported that the Renesis rotors are slightly wider = than 13b rotors........Could there be a little extra friction causeing the = longer breakin time and gradual power increase along with the wider side=20 seals ??=20 -- Kelly Troyer=20 Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2=20 -------------- Original message from "Tracy Crook" : = --------------=20 My Renesis was built using the same O-ring kit that RWS sells for = the earlier 13B. TES inner coolant O-ring but Viton oil seal rings. = Works just fine. Just read the Car & Driver article on long term test of RX-8. They = saw the same long break-in period on the engine that I did. Compression = was terrific from first run on but the power increased slowly over time. = The CD car was significantly faster in the 1/4 mile after 40,000 miles = than when new. I still don't know why this should be. The slightly = wider side seals and exhaust shield on the rotors would not seem like = they would cause this much difference. Tracy (off to Colorado for 3 weeks) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 1:32 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "O" rings/ Exhaust flanges George, Now we need one of our Renesis engine builders to step up and = prove that the coolent seals fit their rotor housings.........Did you = purchase TES rotor seals from Creavey for your Renesis rotors ? -- Kelly Troyer=20 Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2=20 -------------- Original message from "George Lendich" = : --------------=20 Lynn,=20 I would say my "O"rings fit pretty well and that's the Cosmo = Rotor Housing - see photo. -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5B128.9BF0B9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly,
They are slightly wider - my = information is that=20 for performance engines (read over 8,000 or 9,000 RPM, and upward of = that) they=20 skim the rotor  a thou each side to eliminate binding. However = that's=20 that necessary for the rpm we are running, so they say.
It's not uncommon to skim the rotor = apex areas on=20 RX7 performance engines as well due to the high torque flexing the=20 e-shaft.
 
I think Lynn's explanation seems the = most=20 reasonable to me, on why the power improves with some = running-in.
My opinion FWIW
George (down under)
Tracy,
   It has been reported that the Renesis rotors are = slightly=20 wider than
13b rotors........Could there be a little extra friction causeing = the=20 longer
breakin time and gradual power increase along with the wider side =
seals ?? 
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke=20 Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




--------------=20 Original message from "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>: = --------------

My Renesis was built using the same O-ring kit that RWS sells = for the=20 earlier 13B.  TES inner coolant O-ring but Viton oil seal = rings. =20 Works just fine.
 
Just read the Car & Driver article on long term test of = RX-8. =20 They saw the same long break-in period on the engine that I = did. =20 Compression was terrific from first run on but the power increased = slowly=20 over time.  The CD car was significantly faster in the 1/4 mile = after=20 40,000 miles than when new.  I still don't know why this should = be.  The slightly wider side seals and  = exhaust shield on the=20 rotors would not seem like they would cause this much = difference.
 
Tracy (off to Colorado for 3 weeks)
----- Original Message ----- =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, September 02, = 2005 1:32=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = "O" rings/=20 Exhaust flanges

George,
    Now we need one of our Renesis engine = builders to=20 step up and prove
that the coolent seals fit their rotor housings.........Did = you=20 purchase TES
rotor seals from Creavey for your Renesis rotors ?
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke=20 Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




--------------=20 Original message from "George Lendich" = <lendich@optusnet.com.au>:=20 --------------

Lynn,
I would say my "O"rings fit = pretty well and=20 that's the Cosmo Rotor Housing - see = photo.
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Homepage: =20 http://www.flyrotary.com/
Archive and UnSub:  =20 = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/
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