X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c1) with ESMTP id 682658 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:26:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.4; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id q.1d9.43597ed7 (17228) for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:25:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.43597ed7.30407265@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:25:57 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flamible brake fluid To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1125062757" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1125062757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2005 1:53:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WRJJRS@aol.com writes: Lynn, I was aware of this, as wax and silicone remover is one of their most used products. Ernest C input that bit. (fortunatly no longer true.) I prefer the braking action of the "performance Dot 4" fluids which will remove paint if left on the finish. Your mention is of one of my "old reliables" AP 550. Once a season change for the bikes and all was well. (And truly even that seemed unnecessary.) Bill Jepson The use of carbon brake pads has raised the bar on brake performance. Current compounds have both the performance you want and do no damage at all to the rotors. Rotors used to be replaced along with the first generation of carbon pads. The big cars now circulate the fluid through coolers. This pulls a bunch of heat out of the calipers. Newer forms of insulation between the pistons and pads have made big improvements in performance. The brake design on aircraft seems to be stuck in the 40s. Even younger designs of airliners carrie around thousands of pounds of cast iron brake disc stacks. It is time for carbon pads and rotors with ceramic calipers. Years ago, at a car show, I picked up a Porsche brake rotor that was made of aluminum and ceramic foam. It was chained to the table with a foot or so of aluminum chain. The people would pick up the 12 pound iron version, and put it down. Then the foam version would suprise them to the extent that without the chain, the rotor would have gone over their heads. Light like balsa wood. I watched hundreds of people do that test and squeal like little kids. Picking up the light version again and again in disbeliefe. Lynn E. Hanover -------------------------------1125062757 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 8/26/2005 1:53:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 WRJJRS@aol.com writes:

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Lynn,

I was aware of this, as wax and silicone remover is one of thei= r=20 most used products. Ernest C input that bit. (fortunatly no longer true.)=20= I=20 prefer the braking action of the "performance Dot 4" fluids which will rem= ove=20 paint if left on the finish. Your mention is of one of my "old reliables"=20= AP=20 550. Once a season change for the bikes and all was well. (And truly=20= even=20 that seemed unnecessary.)

Bill Jepson

The use of carbon brake pads has raised the bar on brake=20 performance. Current compounds have both the performance you want and d= o no=20 damage at all to the rotors. Rotors used to be replaced along with the first= =20 generation of carbon pads.

The big cars now circulate the fluid through coolers. This pull= s a=20 bunch of heat out of the calipers. Newer forms of insulation between the pis= tons=20 and pads have made big improvements in performance.

The brake design on aircraft seems to be stuck in the 40s.= =20 Even younger designs of airliners carrie around thousands of pounds of= =20 cast iron brake disc stacks.

It is time for carbon pads and rotors with ceramic=20 calipers.

Years ago, at a car show, I picked up a Porsche brake rotor tha= t=20 was made of aluminum and ceramic foam. It was chained to the table with a fo= ot=20 or so of aluminum chain. The people would pick up the 12 pound iron version,= and=20 put it down. Then the foam version would suprise them to the extent that wit= hout=20 the chain, the rotor would have gone over their heads. Light like balsa wood= . I=20 watched hundreds of people do that test and squeal like little=20 kids.

Picking up the light version again and again in=20 disbeliefe.

Lynn E. Hanover

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