X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c1) with ESMTP id 682206 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:18:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.157.35; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id q.1e4.42844779 (16097) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d41 (mblk-d41.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.225]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1430e437828d; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:17:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:17:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8C777D9E9D2E864-D80-21379@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> From: wrjjrs@aol.com References: Received: from 66.127.99.234 by mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.225) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:17:28 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13507 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flamible brake fluid Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C777D9E9B64C14_D80_1FF3B_mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.225 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MailBlocks_8C777D9E9B64C14_D80_1FF3B_mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ernest, I find the need for the combustible fluid so repugnant that I will probably fit auto or motorcycle components if I need to. Otherwise I would change ALL the seals provided. I will NOT run that combustible CRAP in my plane. I can get components from so many different manufacturers that this is ridiculous. I will not endanger my aircraft by a small fluid leak. I will plumb the entire system AN so I doubt I'll have a problem, but I won't take a chance. Small calipers are available from, Brembo, Lockheed/AP, Wilwood, Tokico, Nissin, and more. There are better brakes on any go-kart than most planes sorry to say. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Christley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:47:39 -0400 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Flamible brake fluid wrjjrs@aol.com wrote: > Ernest, > Dot 5 is the silicone based fluid. Dot 5 is compatable with almost > any seal material. Most of the racing fluids mentioned are technically > classified Dot 4. The performance fluids dramatically exceed the Dot 4 > requirements. Any manufacturer that doesn't use at least buna-n or > EPDM (viton) seals are almost criminally negligent. There is NO > reason, cost or otherwise not to use a modern seal material. Viton is > as cheap as any other these days. I am supprised that liability hasn't > forced aircraft brake manufacturers to modernize their equipment. (I > despise lawsuits, but I'm supprised someone using the standard fluid > who burned their plane down hasn't sued forcing them to update!) > Bill Jepson "technically classified Dot 4" is the scary part. From Matco's website: "Mil-H-5606 aircraft hydraulic fluid or compatible fluids are reccomended. DOT5 may be used but not DOT5.1 which contains glycol. DOT3 and DOT4 may not be used and will cause immediate damage to the seals." It's the technicallities that will cause the immediate damage 8*) Are we reduced to ordering some extra seals when we order the brakes so that we can run a soak test for a few months before actually filling the brakes? I just ordered one of their MC-4 master cyclinders. I'd hate to ruin it right off the bat. -- ,|"|"|, | ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta | o| d |o www.ernest.isa-geek.org | -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ----------MailBlocks_8C777D9E9B64C14_D80_1FF3B_mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Ernest,
I find the need for the combustible fluid so repugnant that I will probably fit auto or motorcycle components if I need to. Otherwise I would  change ALL the seals provided. I will NOT run that combustible CRAP in my plane. I can get components from so many different manufacturers that this is ridiculous. I will not endanger my aircraft by a small fluid leak. I will plumb the entire system AN so I doubt I'll have a problem, but I won't take a chance. Small calipers are available from, Brembo, Lockheed/AP, Wilwood, Tokico, Nissin, and more. There are better brakes on any go-kart than most planes sorry to say.
Bill Jepson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:47:39 -0400
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Flamible brake fluid

wrjjrs@aol.com wrote: 
 
> Ernest, 
> Dot 5 is the silicone based fluid. Dot 5 is compatable with almost > any seal material. Most of the racing fluids mentioned are technically > classified Dot 4. The performance fluids dramatically exceed the Dot 4 > requirements. Any manufacturer that doesn't use at least buna-n or > EPDM (viton) seals are almost criminally negligent. There is NO > reason, cost or otherwise not to use a modern seal material. Viton is > as cheap as any other these days. I am supprised that liability hasn't > forced aircraft brake manufacturers to modernize their equipment. (I > despise lawsuits, but I'm supprised someone using the standard fluid > who burned their plane down hasn't sued forcing them to update!) 
> Bill Jepson  
"technically classified Dot 4" is the scary part. From Matco's website: 
 
"Mil-H-5606 aircraft hydraulic fluid or compatible fluids are reccomended. DOT5 may be used but not DOT5.1 which contains glycol. DOT3 and DOT4 may not be used and will cause immediate damage to the seals." 
 
It's the technicallities that will cause the immediate damage 8*) Are we reduced to ordering some extra seals when we order the brakes so that we can run a soak test for a few months before actually filling the brakes? I just ordered one of their MC-4 master cyclinders. I'd hate to ruin it right off the bat. 
 
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