Return-Path: Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with ESMTP id 2509688 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 08:42:19 -0400 Received: from user-0ceifnc.cable.mindspring.com ([24.233.62.236] helo=toshibauser) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19iviE-0004L1-00 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 05:42:18 -0700 From: "CBarber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh report Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:42:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015D_01C358C9.9873C2E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015D_01C358C9.9873C2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh reportI regret my ignorance on the membership structure of EAA. But is there no vehicle for getting back on track in a grass roots manner or is it all in the hands and minds of one small group at the top who seem to be VERY much removed from the general membership? In my few years of direct EAA involvement this seems to be a constant theme. What's up? AOPA ask for my proxy when I renew...I believe this is more for political reasons outside the direction of the organization (but I have always looked at AOPA as my lobbying arm and, in theory, EAA as my "club") Personally, I do not wish to jump at the idea of a "new" organization. IMHO, EAA SHOULD be the proper one. EAA should be able to easily support different temperaments, talents and convictions concerning GA, but it does seem to be less than supportive of Homebuilts (not to mention us "evil" auto conversion types). Talk about not "dancin' with the one who brung ya" I know it must be about the money, but again, IMHO, homebuilt/Experimental IS the future of General Aviation....how can it be so marginalized. I admit to being annoyed/angry, but even more surprised and disappointed. I don't mean this thread to run its own messy life, I am just uninformed and confused. It may be overused but "what does EAA stand for?" Off to the EAA web page to do some research as to history and structure. Don't expect much, but if I can get through the propaganda, I may get some insight...maybe not . Thanks for the mild rant/vent. All the best, Chris www.LoneStarVelocity.com Christopher Barber Attorney and Counselor at Law 11930 S Sam Houston Pkwy E Suite 103 Houston, Texas 77089-4755 281-464-LAWS (5297) "Serving the needs of Senior Texans" CBarber@TexasAttorney.net www.TexasAttorney.net -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh report ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Welter To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:01 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh report My membership just ran out and I am wandering whether I want to renew it after Arlington. They stuck me and the rest of the auto conversions way out in BFE with the certified plane camping section, they only had two rows for RV's and only two rows for all other homebuilt planes and the rest of the flight line was for war birds antiques and classics with C-172's and Cherokees in the lineup. What the hell does EAA stand for. Ken Welter Well, I just got home after 5 days camping with my experimental plane on row 121 at OSH. I won't bore you with all the gory details, but I will say that it will be a while before Tom & Company get any more of my money beyond my membership dues. There was some talk among attendees of starting a new organization (Homebuilt Aviation Association?) & having a separate flyin. Speaking with some of the long-term volunteers at OSH, it seems that Paul P. is more than a little disgusted with the direction his son has taken the 'flyin'. Since it's now obvious that EAA & Airventure can survive just fine without experimental aviation, one thought was to approach the senior P. about adding some younger blood to his SAA & attending his Frasca field flyin next year instead of the 'AirVenture' Carnival. Those of you who believe that changes are in order, please make your feelings known. Charlie flying RV-4; RV-7 in the workshop Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_015D_01C358C9.9873C2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh report
I=20 regret my ignorance on the membership structure of EAA.  But is = there no=20 vehicle for getting back on track in a grass roots manner or is it all = in the=20 hands and minds of one small group at the top who seem to be VERY much = removed=20 from the general membership?  In my few years of direct EAA=20 involvement this seems to be a constant theme. What's up?  = AOPA ask=20 for my proxy when I renew...I believe this is more for political reasons = outside=20 the direction of the organization (but I have always looked at AOPA as = my=20 lobbying arm and, in theory, EAA as my "club")
 
Personally, I do not wish to jump at the idea of a "new"=20 organization.  IMHO, EAA SHOULD be the proper one.  EAA = should be=20 able to easily support different temperaments, talents and convictions=20 concerning GA, but it does seem to be less than supportive of Homebuilts = (not to=20 mention us "evil" auto conversion types). Talk about not "dancin' with = the one=20 who brung ya"  I know it must be about the money, but again, IMHO,=20 homebuilt/Experimental IS the future of General Aviation....how can it = be so=20 marginalized.
 
I=20 admit to being annoyed/angry, but even more surprised and = disappointed.  I=20 don't mean this thread to run its own messy life, I am just uninformed = and=20 confused.  It may be overused but "what does EAA stand=20 for?"
 
Off to=20 the EAA web page to do some research as to history and structure. Don't = expect=20 much, but if I can get through the propaganda, I may get some = insight...maybe=20 not <g>.
 
Thanks=20 for the mild rant/vent.
 
All=20 the best,
 
Chris
www.LoneStarVelocity.com
 
 


Christopher Barber
Attorney and Counselor at = Law
11930 S=20 Sam Houston Pkwy E
Suite 103
Houston, Texas = 77089-4755
281-464-LAWS=20 (5297)

"Serving the needs of Senior=20 Texans"

CBarber@TexasAttorney.net
www.TexasAttorney.net =

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:12 = AM
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh=20 report

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken=20 Welter
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, = 2003 2:01=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Oshkosh=20 report

  My membership just ran out and I = am=20 wandering whether I want to renew it after Arlington.
 They stuck me and the rest of the = auto=20 conversions way out in BFE with the certified plane camping section, = they=20 only had two rows for RV's and only two rows for all other homebuilt = planes=20 and the rest of the flight line was for war birds antiques and = classics with=20 C-172's and Cherokees in the lineup.
 What the hell does EAA stand=20 for.
 
 Ken Welter 




Well,  I just got home = after 5 days=20 camping with my experimental plane on row 121 at OSH.

I = won't bore=20 you with all the gory details, but I will say that it will be a = while=20 before Tom & Company get any more of my money beyond my = membership=20 dues.  There was some talk among attendees of starting a new=20 organization (Homebuilt Aviation Association?) & having a = separate=20 flyin.  Speaking with some of the long-term volunteers at = OSH, it=20 seems that Paul P. is more than a little disgusted with the = direction his=20 son has taken the 'flyin'. 
Since it's now obvious that = EAA &=20 Airventure can survive just fine without experimental aviation, = one=20 thought was to approach the senior P. about adding some younger = blood to=20 his SAA & attending his Frasca field flyin next year instead = of the=20 'AirVenture'  Carnival. Those of you who believe that changes = are in=20 order, please make your feelings known.

Charlie
flying = RV-4;=20 RV-7 in the workshop

 Homepage: =20 http://www.flyrotary.com/
 Archive:  =20 = http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html

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