X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mx1.magmacom.com ([206.191.0.217] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTPS id 986922 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:24:54 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.191.0.217; envelope-from=ianddsl@magma.ca Received: from mail1.magma.ca (mail1.magma.ca [206.191.0.252]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j574O7Cs030581 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:24:08 -0400 Received: from binky (ottawa-hs-64-26-156-111.s-ip.magma.ca [64.26.156.111]) by mail1.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with SMTP id j574O46s017718 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:24:07 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Ian Dewhirst" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 dual power feeds Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 00:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Hi Charlie, my response was meant to be humorous :-) I guess I am not going to make a living as a comedian. There is a difference between redundant and automatic though, you can have one and not the other and still be ahead. As far as failure modes are concerned for EC-2, I don't have a EC-2 yet and this info probably comes in the documentation. Out of interest, can you think of anything in addition to the following? Stopped running a) Dead - caused by bad: power supply, opto-isolator or similar for ignition, clock section, cpu itself. Running but not very well a) Injector driver latched - not total failure if the injectors are sized correctly but the injector is going to over heat and open eventually. b) Injector driver open - again not a total failure if you organize the injectors so that losing one will not cause a no fuel situation for one of the rotors. c) Failed coil driver - lose a rotor - still make some power d) Map sensor - this could be moved up to the stopped running list, or of this list, it depends on how much override you have with the mixture knob. e) I don't think that Tracy uses any other sensors, I could be wrong but a failed temp sensor circuit would not be much of a problem with the mixture control. f) I don't know what happens if their is a problem with the control head. i.e. mixture pot fails etc. External wiring problems, sensors, and CBs excluded. Cheers -- Ian -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:23 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 dual power feeds Unfortunately, dead is not the only possible failure mode. Ian Dewhirst wrote: > Technically the failed CPU is off ;-) I thought the pilot was the > third CPU. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of al p wick > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:17 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 dual power feeds > > FWIW, I disagree . > -al > > On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:07:14 -0500 "Wendell Voto" > > writes: > > > > In order to have truly redundant EC2s would require a 3rd > CPU to monitor the two controllers and automatically > switch the failed unit off. Then what is going to monitor > the 3rd computer? > Wendell > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html