Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #22655
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: No fuel return for RX-8 six port
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:53:51 -0700
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

If for any reason one strake is reluctant to transfer, I can de-select the tank that's transferring OK and suck fuel from the reluctant tank (this would be impossible if the sump were vented). 

Both "suck" and "reluctant" are relative terms since the head pressure between the strake and the sump is quite small - 0.3 psi with full strakes, 0.1 when empty.

That's why I believe sumps should be a closed system .... Jim S.

I’d say what works for you is what works.  But before adding potential problems of electric valves, the requirement to use them, and the potential for air or vapor locked in the sump tank, I would determine why I had “reluctant” gravity.  There has got to be a reason, you just haven’t found it yet.  You have a good ‘work around’ that you are willing to manage, and that’s fine; I just wouldn’t generalize that to be the best approach in all cases.

 

You also said:  Your sump basically recycles completely every 4 minutes or so.  Your fuel could be really REALLY hot just when you begin your takeoff roll.

Do you have any reason to believe this; like any measurement?  There is always some fresh fuel coming from the mains.  How much heat is the fuel line really picking up? With a 3 gallon sump and a 30 gph pump the recycle is clearly less than once every 6 minutes.  Yeah, if I was on the taxiway more than 20-30 minutes I might be concerned. By then I’d probably have turned off my engine a few times while I waited. I’ll plan on getting some temp measurements on my sump tank temp and we’ll see.

BTW, my comment about a power runup before takeoff was to bring fresh cool fuel into the sump before takeoff.  And as soon as I apply full power for takeoff roll the fuel temp in the sump tank is going down. (Very little recycle, fuel flowing in from the mains) If there were to be an issue, wouldn’t I know it at the beginning of the takeoff roll?  Paul’s issue in the earlier version was not just pumps higher than the sump, but also restrictive flow into the sump.

I have no objection to returning fuel to the mains; that’s fine.  I’m not at all convinced that is a requirement that needs to be backfit.

I’m headed of on vacation in the morning for about 10 days, so you can say anything about me that you wantJ.

Al

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