Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #2185
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 2nd and 3rd run logs
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:22:10 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:47 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 2nd and 3rd run logs

As I understand it, the injectors are staged. The secondaries only cut in at a certain rpm. So, if you're rpm is below the staging point, and you kill the primaries you have no fuel and engine will quit. Above the staging point the secondaries would be supplying fuel. Just a theory, but it makes sense to me...

Regards,

John

 

I was thinking that Tracy took this into account, but after reading the instructions again, it does look like he just depends on the cold start function to add fuel.  I guess you won’t be using any power setting below the secondary staging point during normal flight, except for maybe a steep descent. 

 

Of course I have to wonder, why not just run them all, all the time?  Mazda probably made them staged for emissions, or drivability, but there are FD guys running four 1600 injectors, who seem to idle just fine with two 1600 injectors.  Surely I can idle with four 550’s.  I think the staging point is adjustable, but I’ll have to look at the manual again tomorrow.  I might just be tempted to try running all four full time. 

 

Rusty

 

 

Rusty, I think you would find that you would have too much fuel in the intake at low rpms.  That is the primary reason that the EFI's have staged injectors.  The larger the flow rate of the  injectors, the worst the problem becomes at idle.  It gets to the point where the injectors would have to react to sub millisecond pulses to dispense the small amount of fuel needed for idle, just cheaper to stage than try to develop injectors that responsive.  The low flow limit on MOST EFI fuel injectors is around 1-2milliseconds.  If the pulse is less than that the injector simply can not open and close responsive enough.

 

If you set it up as Tracy recommends, you can run the engine on either pair of injectors at any engine regime from idle to WOT.  Now at WOT with only one pair you may not get quite as much power as when using only two injectors they will reach satuation (simple stay open and don't close) at some rpm/power point.  Then, of course, no additional fuel will flow.  I haven't calculated what that point is and its further up the rpm range for the larger flow injectors.  But, I can tell you a rotary powered RV has no problem staying airborn with only two 460cc/min injectors working.  My engine seems limited to around 5800-5900 rpm with only two inejctors and can get up to around 6100-6200 with all four pumping fuel.

 

FWIW

 

Ed Anderson

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