X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-PolluStop-Diagnostic: (direct reply)\eX-PolluStop-Score: 0.00\eX-PolluStop: Scanned with Niversoft PolluStop 2.1 RC1, http://www.niversoft.com/pollustop Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.101] (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c4) with ESMTP id 867422 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:39:49 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.101; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-185-127.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.185.127]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3DCd20W028152 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01c54025$c9481840$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] The Final? story on the engine problem Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:39:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C54004.41FFB0D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C54004.41FFB0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly, I did get the rotor's used and they appeared in good shape. But, = that could have simply been my lack of knowledge what to really look for = such as - slop in the apex seal slot. I was using the rotor housings = that came with the core as they appeared to be in good shape. But even = though I have not yet found any damage to the rotor housings, that one = rotor clearly had a piece of apex seal jammed between the rotor housing = inner surface and the rotor - hard to believe it damaged the rotor but = not the housing. Need to do some cleaning of parts for better = assessment. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] The Final? story on the engine problem Ed, Sure looks familar.......I spent the day taking a 89-91 core = engine apart to recover one good 9.7 to 1 rotor......Other rotor suffered apex seal = failure (stock 3 piece seals).......Rotor looks alot like yours.......Rotor = hsgs are shot .......End hsgs serviceable but should probably be lapped.......It has = taken two core engines to get two good 9.7 rotors.......Such is life !! -- Kelly Troyer=20 Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2=20 -------------- Original message from "Ed Anderson" = : --------------=20 Second set of photos=20 Photo Apex Scrapes shows that the ejected apex seal piece probably = made it around the chamber a couple of times, one impression looks to be = smaller than the width of the ejected piece - so perhaps it broke up = further in its round. Photo Apex Slot Peened shows that the 2nd apex seal of #1 rotor that = would not move up and down - clear why, now. The departing piece peened = over the slot and froze the seal in its slot. I had to pry the opposite = end of the seal up to the position you see. Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C54004.41FFB0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly, I did get the rotor's used and = they appeared=20 in good shape. But, that could have simply been my lack of knowledge = what to=20 really look for such as - slop in the apex seal slot.  I was = using the=20 rotor housings that came with the core as they appeared to be in good=20 shape.  But even though I have not yet found any damage to the = rotor=20 housings, that one rotor clearly had a piece of apex seal jammed between = the=20 rotor housing inner surface and the rotor - hard to believe it damaged = the rotor=20 but not the housing.  Need to do some cleaning of parts for better=20 assessment.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kelly = Troyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 = 11:35=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] The Final? = story on=20 the engine problem

Ed,
     Sure looks familar.......I spent the day = taking=20 a 89-91 core engine apart
to recover one good 9.7 to 1 rotor......Other rotor suffered apex = seal=20 failure
(stock 3 piece seals).......Rotor looks alot like = yours.......Rotor hsgs=20 are shot
.......End hsgs serviceable but should probably be = lapped.......It has=20 taken
two core engines to get two good 9.7 rotors.......Such is life = !!
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke=20 Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




--------------=20 Original message from "Ed Anderson" = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>:=20 --------------

Second set of photos
 
Photo Apex Scrapes shows that the = ejected apex=20 seal piece probably  made it around the chamber a couple of = times, one=20 impression looks to be smaller than the width of the ejected piece - = so=20 perhaps it broke up further in its round.
 
Photo Apex Slot Peened shows that = the 2nd apex=20 seal of #1 rotor that would not move up and down - clear why, = now.  The=20 departing piece peened over the slot and froze the seal in its = slot.  I=20 had to pry the opposite end of the seal up to the position you=20 see.
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary=20 Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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