X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-PolluStop-Diagnostic: (direct reply)\eX-PolluStop-Score: 0.00\eX-PolluStop: Scanned with Niversoft PolluStop 2.1 RC1, http://www.niversoft.com/pollustop Return-Path: Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c4) with ESMTP id 866382 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:49 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.61; envelope-from=jerryhey@earthlink.net Received: from [65.176.161.171] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLQOi-0007Ro-8b for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:05 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=NDr513zjHBMq3R+cSZ8y4X21wyzlOHk6Nv3/LGAJHhRI/KvmoTXX7RHb+XrK6g/U; Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:47:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Air Cleaners-Screens (was Re: Latest on the Motor Trouble Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--267014747 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Jerry Hey To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <55A5A6E4-AB83-11D9-A355-0003931B0C7A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-ELNK-Trace: 8104856d7830ec6b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f760c0c9ceafb9cefdabd8ab36ac456f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.176.161.171 --Apple-Mail-16--267014747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rusty, forget grass and dirt strips. Next time you go to the airport=20= you can set a good example by sweeping a portion of the runway. =20 Anything you can sweep up could also end up in your engine if you don't=20= have a filter. If you are third or fourth to take off, imagine the=20 crap still in the air when its your turn. This is kind of a weird=20 topic to me as I can't think of any reason to not protect the engine=20 with a filter. I would like to see a photo of you sweeping the runway=20= :) Jerry On Tuesday, April 12, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Russell Duffy wrote: > "Conventional wisdom" is - every engine should have a filter to keep=20= > sand (and other hard parts) out of engine. > > =A0 > I think the key phrase is conventional wisdom.=A0 There's no doubt = that=20 > dirt and such will eventually wear out an engine, all evidence=20 > suggests that it's going to take a long time to do that on a rotary in=20= > our application.=A0 As you likely know, Tracy has never had a filter,=20= > and flies off a grass strip.=A0=A0 I can't think of anyone = who's=A0verified=20 > damage from=A0anything that came from outside the engine, though it = can=20 > certainly happen.=A0 =A0 > =A0 > On the other hand, there have been plenty of engines damaged by items=20= > that came from somewhere within the engine itself (intake, TB, etc).=A0=20= > If anything, I think I'd like to have a screen between the intake and=20= > side housings, except that I'd be worried about the screen itself=20 > eventually breaking and getting ingested.=A0=A0 > =A0 > I do agree that=A0the best plan (space permitting) would be to have = two=20 > air sources, filtered, and unfiltered.=A0=A0 > =A0 > Rusty (unfiltered, unshaven, unwashed... )=A0 > =A0 > =A0 > > =A0=A0 > --Apple-Mail-16--267014747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rusty, forget grass and dirt strips. Next time you go to the airport you can set a good example by sweeping a portion of the runway.=20 Anything you can sweep up could also end up in your engine if you don't have a filter. If you are third or fourth to take off, imagine the crap still in the air when its your turn. This is kind of a weird topic to me as I can't think of any reason to not protect the engine with a filter. I would like to see a photo of you sweeping the runway :) Jerry On Tuesday, April 12, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Russell Duffy wrote: "Conventional wisdom" is - every engine should have a filter to keep sand (and other hard parts) out of engine. =A0 ArialFFFF,0000,0000I think the key phrase is conventional wisdom.=A0 There's no doubt that dirt and such will eventually wear out an engine, all evidence suggests that it's going to take a long time to do that on a rotary in our application.=A0 As you likely know, Tracy has never had a filter, and flies off a grass strip.=A0=A0 I can't think of anyone = who's=A0verified damage from=A0anything that came from outside the engine, though it can certainly happen.=A0 =A0 =A0 ArialFFFF,0000,0000On the other hand, there have been plenty of engines damaged by items that came from somewhere within the engine itself (intake, TB, etc).=A0 If anything, I think I'd like to have a screen between the intake and side housings, except that I'd be worried about the screen itself eventually breaking and getting ingested.=A0=A0 =A0 ArialFFFF,0000,0000I do agree that=A0the best plan (space permitting) would be to have two air sources, filtered, and unfiltered.=A0=A0 =A0 = ArialFFFF,0000,0000Rusty (unfiltered, unshaven, unwashed... )=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 = --Apple-Mail-16--267014747--