X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-PolluStop-Diagnostic: \eX-PolluStop-Score: 0.00\eX-PolluStop: Scanned with Niversoft PolluStop 2.1 RC1, http://www.niversoft.com/pollustop Return-Path: Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.9] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c4) with ESMTP id 865794 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:16:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.9; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id q.13e.1100e7e4 (3980) for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: WRJJRS@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.1100e7e4.2f8cb35e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:15:10 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SQ2000 flying again To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113282910" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 -------------------------------1113282910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2005 6:49:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, sqpilot@bellsouth.net writes: Thanks, Tracy....I should be able to find out in a few days. Today I removed the ram air scoop and fabricated an intake plenum for the 3 inch scat tubing. As soon as the NACA duct with the 3 inch outlet arrives, I will install it and be ready for testing. Today I measured the length of the scat tube that I will need....14 inches. Thanks again for sharing your experiences. Paul Conner Paul, It is interesting that as you have noted your problem, there was on the other list comment made about exactly the same phenomenon you are experiencing. You have found the relationship between the effectiveness of the cowl outlet, and inlets. The rules of thumb that have been discussed on the list recently apply to pushers as well. You have some advantages, extraction assisted by the prop usually, and some disadvantages, often turbulent air near inlets often making flow paths difficult to predict. Ask Perry Mick to remind us of the oil cooler troubles he had. The real problem Paul is that when used without a sealed tube to the throttle body your ram air scoop pressurizes the cowl. The fact that you are seeing higher temps isn't so much a supprize, rather it's expected. The better your "ram air" scoop works the worse your problem. The pressure increase does help the engine make more power. That heats up your coolant and the increase in pressure inside the cowl makes it harder to get air through the radiator, making the engine run hotter. There is probably a point if you could reach a high enough speed that the pressure could prevent ANY air from going through the radiator! The fixes are to re-plumb the scoop as you are doing, or to enlarge the exit area to prevent pressure build up. Since enlarging the exit may be impractical, you should fix the problem by replumbing as you are doing. It is a shame that you can't keep the other scoop easily. The type of problems you are having would seem to indicate that it is working well! I've been away for a while and couldn't comment, but my suggestion would have been to put a sheet of aluminum under the scoop with a 3" exit tube near the rear plumbed directly into the TB. You would probably see a HP increase at cruise. The NACA duct will probably solve the problem but you will lose some of the ram effect you could recover with the other scoop. Should be less drag though. Hang in there Paul. Bill Jepson -------------------------------1113282910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Thanks, Tracy....I should be able to find out in a= few=20 days. Today I removed the ram air scoop and fabricated an intake plenum fo= r=20 the 3 inch scat tubing. As soon as the NACA duct with the 3 inch outlet=20 arrives, I will install it and be ready for testing. Today I measured the=20 length of the scat tube that I will need....14 inches.  Thanks again=20= for=20 sharing your experiences.  Paul Conner
 
Paul,
 It is interesting that as you have noted your problem, there was=20= on=20 the other list comment made about exactly the same phenomenon you are=20 experiencing. You have found the relationship between the effectiveness of t= he=20 cowl outlet, and inlets. The rules of thumb that have been discussed on the=20= list=20 recently apply to pushers as well. You have some advantages, extraction assi= sted=20 by the prop usually, and some disadvantages, often turbulent air near inlets= =20 often making flow paths difficult to predict. Ask Perry Mick to remind us of= the=20 oil cooler troubles he had.
 The real problem Paul is that when used without a sealed tube to=20= the=20 throttle body your ram air scoop pressurizes the cowl. The fact that you are= =20 seeing higher temps isn't so much a supprize, rather=20 it's expected. The better your "ram air" scoop works the worse your=20 problem. The pressure increase does help the engine make more power. That he= ats=20 up your coolant and the increase in pressure inside the cowl makes it harder= to=20 get air through the radiator, making the engine run hotter. There is probabl= y a=20 point if you could reach a high enough speed that the pressure could prevent= ANY=20 air from going through the radiator! The fixes are to re-plumb the scoo= p as=20 you are doing, or to enlarge the exit area to prevent pressure build up. Sin= ce=20 enlarging the exit may be impractical, you should fix the problem by replumb= ing=20 as you are doing.  It is a shame that you can't keep the other scoop=20 easily. The type of problems you are having would seem to indicate that it i= s=20 working well! I've been away for a while and couldn't comment, but my sugges= tion=20 would have been to put a sheet of aluminum under the scoop with a 3" ex= it=20 tube near the rear plumbed directly into the TB. You would probably=20 see a HP increase at cruise. The NACA duct will probably solve the prob= lem=20 but you will lose some of the ram effect you could recover with the oth= er=20 scoop. Should be less drag though. Hang in there Paul.
Bill Jepson
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