Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.220] (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 767651 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:48:54 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.220; envelope-from=echolakeresort@telus.net Received: from [207.194.127.79] by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050303014758.SEZL8412.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@[207.194.127.79]> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:47:58 -0700 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.5.2]); Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:47:53 -0800 Message-Id: <42266CC8.00000F.02552@BOUCHER-ODDLE24> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:47:52 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (3001609) From: "Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)" References: To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] hand router milling X-FID: 1632BDDA-61AD-4DCC-BB3B-02B2C47E674F X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-42266CC92D0F=======" --=======AVGMAIL-42266CC92D0F======= Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_SB6RSPT1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_SB6RSPT1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_SB6RN0X1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_SB6RN0X1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI! Kevin =0D What material did you use? How much did you have to remove inside?=0D Thanks=0D =0D =0D =0D Georges & Gail Boucher=0D 2126 Creighton Valley Road=0D Lumby, British Columbia=0D Canada V0E 2G1=0D Phone:(250) 547-6434=0D Fax:: (250-547-2342=0D www.echolakefishingresort.com=0D www.echolakefishingresort.ca =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Date: 03/02/05 17:38:15=0D To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Subject: [FlyRotary] hand router milling=0D =0D a regular carbide bit for wood cuts well. the secret is to get the large= r=0D diameter bit , otherwise they constantly clog up. I believe I used one t= hat=0D cut like 1" dia. The 1/2" bits for like mortising hinges won't work. Al= so,=0D cut in the direction that the bit wants to travel and it is easier to tak= e a=0D small amount with each pass. For the wells that I routered, I cut them d= own=0D to the full depth, but remained maybe 1/8 to 1/4" inside my lines. Then = I=0D worked to the finish cut line at full depth. WEAR GLASSES! What? Huh? = Oh=0D yes, and ear protection! I machined the 1/2" plate to shape on the outsi= de=0D similarly after cutting it close first with a bandsaw with like a 6=0D tooth/inch blade. The engine mount plate took a good chunk of a Saturday= to=0D make, but they run $500 to buy. The plate ran $75. I used the oil pan a= s a=0D template for the bolt holes. My first engine mount plate I made these wo= od=0D templates, which was a bunch of work and not that necessary. We're build= ing=0D 1 airplane, right? (no, you couldn't afford me to make you one too! :-) = I=0D did use a mill to cut the engine mount pockets. We had started to use th= e=0D mill to make all of the plate and decided I could do it by hand much fast= er.=0D Kevin Lane Portland, OR=0D e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net=0D web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773=0D (browse w/ internet explorer)=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Jack Ford" =0D To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0D Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:24 PM=0D Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B exhaust (so far)=0D =0D =0D > Hey Kevin,=0D >=0D > What kind of bit are you using in that router? How deep can you cut=0D > (Aluninum, I assume)?=0D >=0D > Sounds like a poor man's end mill.=0D >=0D > Jack Ford=0D >=0D >=0D > ----- Original Message -----=0D > From: "kevin lane" =0D > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0D > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:56 PM=0D > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B exhaust (so far)=0D >=0D >=0D >> Todd - my first engine mounting plate had the exhaust even closer. I=0D >> bite=0D >> the bullet and fabricated another one which moved the block forward 3/= 4",=0D >> which also solved a water pump/fire wall clearance problem and the=0D >> starter=0D >> nose clearance too. I am getting pretty good at freehanding a router t= o=0D >> machine the plates. I even have pockets up front routered out for wei= ght=0D >> savings, all done free hand (just go 1/16th" at a time, and keep your=0D > mouth=0D >> closed! chips go everywhere).=0D >> Thanks for the info. I have some welding curtain material I use f= or=0D >> protection which seems to work well. I wrapped my Lycoming starter in= it=0D >> since a cross over pipe comes close.=0D >> Kevin Lane Portland, OR=0D >> e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net=0D >> web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773=0D >> (browse w/ internet explorer)=0D >> ----- Original Message -----=0D >> From: "Bartrim, Todd" =0D >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0D >> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:58 AM=0D >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B exhaust (so far)=0D >>=0D >>=0D >> Hi Kevin;=0D >> My exhaust didn't work out exactly as I'd envisioned it and as a=0D >> result the pipe is almost touching 2 of my mount struts where it passe= s=0D >> between them. I was quite concerned about heat damaging the mount, so = I=0D >> kept a very close eye on this area. However it really hasn't been an=0D >> issue. The paint on the mount hasn't discoloured at all so I haven't=0D >> been too concerned, however I still check it often. When I first=0D >> received the EM2, I attached one of my spare CHT thermocouples to the=0D >> mount to monitor it and while I can't recall the temp, I know it was l= ow=0D >> enough that I stopped worrying about it. I should've logged it.=0D >>=0D >> Todd=0D >>=0D >>=0D >>=0D >> this is a good point and I admit to have not thought it through yet. = I=0D >> have made two engine mount plates so far because the first one had the= =0D >> exhaust almost touching the exhaust, maybe 1/8" clearance. I will hav= e=0D >> to come up with some type of shield however. I hope, also, to introdu= ce=0D >> some fresh air flow over them also.=0D >> Kevin Lane Portland, OR=0D >>=0D >> >=0D >> > I'm curious if you're planning some kind of heat shield for that mou= nt=0D >>=0D >> > strut that runs between the exhaust pipes... or maybe several layers= =0D >> of=0D >> > exhaust tape... something to keep some of that heat away anyhow?=0D >> Looks=0D >> > scary to me, especially when you consider that those exhaust tubes=0D >> will=0D >> > likely be glowing red at full throttle. 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HI! Kevin
What material did you use? How much did you have to remove insi= de?
Thanks
 
 
Georges & Gail Boucher
2126 Creighton Valley Road
Lumby, British Columbia
Canada  V0E 2G1
Phone:(250) 547-6434
Fax:: (250-547-2342
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 03/02/05 17:= 38:15
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] hand router milling
 
a regular carbide bit for wood cuts well.  the secret is t= o get the larger
diameter bit , otherwise they constantly clog up.  I belie= ve I used one that
cut like 1" dia.  The 1/2" bits for like mortising hinges = won't work.  Also,
cut in the direction that the bit wants to travel and it is easier t= o take a
small amount with each pass.  For the wells that I routere= d, I cut them down
to the full depth, but remained maybe 1/8 to 1/4" inside my lines.&n= bsp; Then I
worked to the finish cut line at full depth.   WEAR GLASSE= S!  What? Huh? Oh
yes, and ear protection!  I machined the 1/2" plate to sha= pe on the outside
similarly after cutting it close first with a bandsaw with like a 6<= /DIV>
tooth/inch blade.  The engine mount plate took a good chun= k of a Saturday to
make, but they run $500 to buy.  The plate ran $75. &= nbsp;I used the oil pan as a
template for the bolt holes.  My first engine mount plate = I made these wood
templates, which was a bunch of work and not that necessary. &n= bsp;We're building
1 airplane, right? (no, you couldn't afford me to make you one too! = :-)  I
did use a mill to cut the engine mount pockets.  We had st= arted to use the
mill to make all of the plate and decided I could do it by hand much= faster.
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
(browse w/ internet explorer)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Ford" <= jackoford@theofficenet.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B exhaust (so far)
 
 
> Hey Kevin,
>
> What kind of bit are you using in that router? How deep can you= cut
> (Aluninum, I assume)?
>
> Sounds like a poor man's end mill.
>
> Jack Ford
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kevin lane" <n37= 73@comcast.net>
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:56 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B exhaust (so far)
>
>
>> Todd - my first engine mounting plate had the exhaust even = closer.  I
>> bite
>> the bullet and fabricated another one which moved the block= forward 3/4",
>> which also solved a water pump/fire wall clearance problem = and the
>> starter
>> nose clearance too. I am getting pretty good at freehanding= a router to
>> machine the plates.  I even have pockets up front= routered out for weight
>> savings, all done free hand (just go 1/16th" at a time, and= keep your
> mouth
>> closed! chips go everywhere).
>>     Thanks for the info.  I h= ave some welding curtain material I use for
>> protection which seems to work well.  I wrapped m= y Lycoming starter in it
>> since a cross over pipe comes close.
>> Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
>> (browse w/ internet explorer)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bartrim, Todd" <Steve.Bartrim@canfor.com>
>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:58 AM
>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B exhaust (so far)
>>
>>
>> Hi Kevin;
>> My exhaust didn't work out exactly as I'd envisioned it and= as a
>> result the pipe is almost touching 2 of my mount struts whe= re it passes
>> between them. I was quite concerned about heat damaging the= mount, so I
>> kept a very close eye on this area. However it really hasn'= t been an
>> issue. The paint on the mount hasn't discoloured at all so = I haven't
>> been too concerned, however I still check it often. When I = first
>> received the EM2, I attached one of my spare CHT thermocoup= les to the
>> mount to monitor it and while I can't recall the temp, I kn= ow it was low
>> enough that I stopped worrying about it. I should've logged= it.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>>
>> this is a good point and I admit to have not thought it thr= ough yet.  I
>> have made two engine mount plates so far because the first = one had the
>> exhaust almost touching the exhaust, maybe 1/8" clearance.&= nbsp; I will have
>> to come up with some type of shield however.  I h= ope, also, to introduce
>> some fresh air flow over them also.
>> Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
>>
>> >
>> > I'm curious if you're planning some kind of heat shiel= d for that mount
>>
>> > strut that runs between the exhaust pipes... or maybe = several layers
>> of
>> > exhaust tape... something to keep some of that heat aw= ay anyhow?
>> Looks
>> > scary to me, especially when you consider that those e= xhaust tubes
>> will
>> > likely be glowing red at full throttle.  Jus= t a thought.
>> >
>> >  <Marv>
>>
>>
>> >>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
>>
>>
>> >>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
>>
>
>
>>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
 
 
>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
 
 
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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 --=======AVGMAIL-42266CC92D0F=======--