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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:46:41 -0600
From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Vapor Lock
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My 3/8" vents follow identical paths from the tank up to the top of the 
firewall and "T" into a 3/8" Al tube that goes down and out the belly 
and bends forward into the wind.  No blockages in the vent (remember the 
gravity feed tests that wouldn't have drained the same had there been a 
stopped up vent)? 
No, the vents are the very first thing I looked at ... Jim S.

Charlie England wrote:

> Fuel vent positioning is one of the causes in Cessnas. Unequal ram air 
> pressurization of the 2 tanks in flight.
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> Charlie
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> Jim Sower wrote:
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>> Paul,
>> Paul wrote:
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>>> Hi, Jim....is it possible there is a restriction in one of the fuel 
>>> lines? Are there any bends in the aluminum fuel line that might have 
>>> kinked during the bending process?
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>> This problem drove me NUTS for two years.  I tried everything.  For 
>> example, I checked the vents as best I could, leveled the airplane 
>> (checked the ball to ensure it was centered - it was), disconnected 
>> the fuel line from the engine side of the firewall and let it drain 
>> into a bucket.  I turned off one strake at a time (with manual 
>> maintenance valve) and timed how long it took for the other strake to 
>> gravity drain ten gal of fuel into the sump, out of the sump through 
>> the boost pump, through the filter and then through the firewall into 
>> the bucket(s).  Then I turned it off and did the same thing with the 
>> left tank.  They both drained 10 gal each  within 5% of the same 
>> time.  Then I reconnected all the plumbing, taped over the fuel caps 
>> so there's no possible way they could leak and went flying.  Right 
>> tank drained 20 gal while the left tank maybe 2 or 3.  Level balanced 
>> flight on a cross country.  All fuel lines, vent lines, etc. are as 
>> identical as I am able to make them.  To this day, I've not met 
>> anybody who can explain what happened.  I tried everything.  Back and 
>> forth on the Velocity list much longer than you've been inquiring 
>> after your vapor lock.  NOTHING.  I figured out a workaround - I 
>> installed electric shutoff valves in place of the manual maintenance 
>> valves between the strake and the sump.  Now, when one tank doesn't 
>> transfer, I turn off the tank that does and let the "reluctant" tank 
>> catch up.  The pump sucks it through the system just fine (the head 
>> pressure of 6" of fuel is about 0.16 psi - a problem that would 
>> inhibit that flow you can't even MEASURE.  Assymmetric transfer is 
>> common as dirt in the Velocity community (but not nearly as 
>> persistent as mine).  It was also a problem a long time with the 
>> Vari-EZ.
>>
>>> Lastly, have you tried blowing backwards into the two fuel lines to 
>>> see if either had more restriction than the other?  Just looking for 
>>> possible reasons for your uneven fuel flow.  Even my Cessna 172 and 
>>> 150 had fairly even fuel consumption from the two gravity fed tanks.
>>
>>
>> I understand that Cessnas had a lot of trouble around this too.
>>
>>> Just searching for answers.  Paul Conner
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sower" 
>>> <canarder@frontiernet.net>
>>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:57 PM
>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Vapor Lock
>>>
>>>
>>>> In my Velocity the strakes gravity feed to the sump. About a foot 
>>>> of 3/8" Al / rubber fuel line on each side, downhill all the way. I 
>>>> can run one tank plumb dry and have only a gallon or two gone out 
>>>> of the other. Like when there's a slight leak in a fuel cap or 
>>>> something.
>>>> If they're significantly uneven, you WILL get air if you select 
>>>> "Both" ... Jim S.
>>>>
>>>> Bulent Aliev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             If you're almost home and have "Both" selected, and one
>>>>>             tank runs dry, what do you end up with in the fuel 
>>>>> line? I
>>>>>             believe mostly air. Late in the trip (traffic pattern?)
>>>>>             where trouble shooting time is at a premium. Use L or R.
>>>>>             Not B.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t think so: connect two tanks (one full with water and one 
>>>>> empty) to gravity feed Into Y connection. Than suck on the end and 
>>>>> try to breathe. Let me know how it works :)
>>>>> Buly 
>>>>
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