Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #16980
From: Paul <sqpilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] More wild ideas was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: To Paul SOme diagnosis thoughts
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:52:18 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi, Leon...I had 28 gallons of fuel in the left tank, and only 20 gallons in the right tank. (I was using the left tank). I didn't fuel it completely, as I hadn't planned on going that far.      Fuel filter screen looked fine, and I drained some fuel from each tank and from the gascolator....no visible water in the glass jar. I will double check all electrical connections next, but the way the engine sounded, it just seemed to be fuel starved. It runs fine now with normal water temperatures.  My fuel pumps are around 12 inches lower than my sump tank, and the gascolator is the lowest point in the fuel system, and the fuel pumps are about 3 inches above the gascolator/filter, so they do have to pull fuel uphill, but only about 3 inches, in a hose that is about 6 inches long. (In other words, the fuel pumps are about 3 inches above the gascolator and 6 inches away from the gascolator).  
    One final thought.....my aluminum sump tank in not vented. Seems we discussed this at length when I was building this thing, and since the overflow is pumped into the sump tank, the fuel might just be pumped right out of the vent. Take care. Paul Conner
----- Original Message -----
From: Leon
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:34 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] More wild ideas was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: To Paul SOme diagnosis thoughts

Yo Paul,
 
OK,  so it WASN'T the ECU!  Not electrical?  I assume by now you have checked all electrical connections??  Not the fuel filter etc?  No water in the fuel??
 
Vapour lock with EFI is pretty hard to get.  At 3 Bar pressure,  the EFI pumps will see to that (as long as they don't have to suck uphill).  The only place you could get a vapour lock is between the tank(s) and the lift pump,  if you have one.  As I have no idea how your fuel is plumbed,  I can only make wild guesses.
 
So, ... SILLY question.  How much fuel was actually in the tanks??  Some aircraft are notorious for not being able to access a fair percentage of what is left in the tanks at unusual attitudes.  ALL is OK in level flight,  but on rotation,  or a steep (unbalanced) bank or side slip,   the tank pickups are uncovered.  I've also come across problems of highly inaccurate fuel guage(s).  The only sure way is to dip the tank. I seem to remember reading about a similar incident in a "Crash Comic" just recently.  Even the pros screw up occasionally (e.g.,  Boeing 307 Stratosubmarine!). 
 
Got to get to the bottom of this - you are too good a pilot and too nice a bloke to needlessly have a prang.
 
Cheers mate,
 
Leon
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:21 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: To Paul SOme diagnosis thoughts was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Microtech EFI and Tuning

Hi, Leon....I appologize for being late in responding....I haven't had a chance to get on the computer.  Yes, I ran the engine yesterday. After inspecting the spark plugs (looked like new with no evidence of rich soot or burned porcelain), I fired it up and it ran great. Good idle, midrange, and 5300 rpm static instead of my usual 5200 rpm. I ran it WOT until the temps finally got so high that I had to shut it down and watch the antifreeze burp out of the overflow on the surge tank.  Set up a cooling fan for a few minutes, then restarted the engine and temps came down right away with the circulating of the water/antifreeze through the engine and radiator.
     As I mentioned in my previous post, I am higly suspect that my problem was vapor lock/heat related due to the two close together WOT engine runs I performed just prior to takeoff. Normally, I always take off with temps around 160 to 180, not 220 or better. My temps normally come down in the climb, but at only 250 feet, I'm fairly confident I hadn't gotten much cooling air to the radiator at WOT in the climb.  I will keep you posted. Thanks again for taking the time to help out.  Paul Conner
 


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