Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #16975
From: Leon <peon@pacific.net.au>
Subject: Number Running and Pre -Suppositions was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Last Word on Displacement
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:50 +1100
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Al,
 
Yep, I agree!!  I think we actually nailed this one down on ACRE years ago (before I got ex-communicated).  But "Da Boyz" do tend to get carried away with the maths. However,  the maths must be applied correctly,  with strict attention to analysing the problem first.  This Displacement controvesy is just another example of not making sure that the fundamental premises and pre-suppositions are correct before embarking on that murky enterprise of  "Number Running"  (Shades of the EWP fracas!!).
 
Many years ago,  my dear old mentor told me "Leon,  an internal combustion engine is nothing except an air pump, ... gone mad". That really changed my mindset.  So if you know how much air it pumps per cycle,  you can compare it to any other air pump.  This is where volumetric efficiency,  and the type of cycle (2 stroke,  4 stroke,  Wankel etc) comes into the picture. 
 
Additionally,  displacement and air flow are not necessarily the same thing - RPM comes into it, as well as Vol Eff.  However,  in the final analysis,  all that really matters for aircraft use is how much power can be extracted and at what RPM,  and how efficiently the fuel is burned (BSFC- which is another boondoggle altogether -  not going there today!!).
 
So as for this issue of comparing a 13B to a Lyc 360,  using  current technology done right,  either an REW (with 9.7:1 high comp rotors) or a Renesis 13B (with 10:1 rotors) will make over 200 BHP,  as long the engine is allowed to rev to where it makes MAX RPM,   Which is just a function of PSRU ratio,  prop size etc (7,000 RPM min - whereas the Lyc will do a pretty fair impersonation of a grenade if it goes over 3,000 RPM for long). . 
 
Obviously the manifolding (inlet and exhaust), and port timing (mild port,  bridgeport,  PP etc) must also be conducive to the airflow required to make that power.  None of this is a real mystery as there is nearly 40 years of world wide racing experience to define sizes and lengths,  RPM and power outputs.  There is NO need to re-invent the wheel.
 
Cheers,
 
Leon
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:58 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Last Word on Displacement was Re: [FlyRotary] Solved!!!! => Rotary AirFlow Equation? Help?

Thank you; Leon.

That’s how I had always looked at it; but with all the math spinning about, I thought maybe I had overlooked something.

 

Al

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