Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #16953
From: George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: : 13b vs 360 performance
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:55:09 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
[FlyRotary] Re: : 13b vs 360 performance
Ken,
I thought it may have been something else.
Leon mention e-shaft flex causing to rotors to skew in the housing, under high load (I thought of the NOS). One fix was shaving a little off the corners, as you did.
The real fix is 2 piece shaft as they are stiffer. 
George ( down under)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Welter
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: : 13b vs 360 performance

   Yes I invested in good oil lines and I got rid of the Ross gearbox, when the thrust bearing on the engine goes out do to the ross gearbox the oil pressure drops to about 10 or 20 psi and the rotor seizes,
 After switching to the cog belt redrive I stacked up 900 hrs with no problems until I blew an oil line last summer.
  Ken




Ken,
Did you ever work out why you had problems with the rotors seizing.
George ( down under)
   The Coot is a whole different bird than most of you are flying but for comparisons I have flown with another Coot with an IO-360 and I can blow him away on takeoff out of the water but I am cheating as I kick an extra 100 hp with the nitrous to lift it out of the water, on climb out he will blow me away as my prop is fixed for cruise and he has a CS prop, in cruise we are a dead match when I am running at 6500 rpm < gear ratio is a 2.95 to 1 >.
  Ken



Ed / Jerry,
I stand corrected.  Let me say that 'the 13b power I see being achieved so far in NA 13b airplane installations seem to be less than what O-360 guys are getting'.    After mounting props was anybody able to attain even 6000 rpm in their 13b NA aircraft installation, level-flight?

 
Tom 

Jerry Hey <jerryhey@earthlink.net> wrote:
I assume you are talking about a 6000 rpm limited rotary vs a wide open
0-360. Run the rotary faster and thats the end of the story. Jerry

 Ed Anderson wrote:
> Tom, 
> I don't really think anyone can accurately make a generalization like
> that.

 
> From: Tom
> It's my understanding that NA non-renesis rotary installations
> produce less power than 360s, Perry Mick might have a word on this.

 

> Eric Ruttan wrote:
> A 360 Lyc does not produce the same power as a rotary.
> If true, then the Ellison card may not get enough air.
> If not true, then there is no real reason why the Ellison cannot feed a
> rotary.
>
> Ed, I understand your math, but even if the local inlet velocity is much
> higher, we dont care. the velocities adverage out to the same, as the
> volume of air = velocity * carb area.
>
> If the velocities are higher, the rotary consumes more air, and makes
> more power.
>
               

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